India Total Peaceful Photojournal

[Minh Le]

Okay guys, here another update. Please let me know If I go too slowly, my game progress to turn 300 already and this time I take a lot of pictures.

Spoiler Making friends :

Very nice, I want to befriend China all game if possible.

Spoiler All cities are UP :

Bangalore is my last city. I have 9 cities now. Now its time to make those workers. My priority now is improve my lux and building road. Bonus resources and farms can wait. Road is very important when playing Progress, and more when youre India because it will make your religion spread faster. Only 8 turns left on my Prophet. You will notice my secondary cities are a bit close but not too close to my capital, because my capital will have much more pops than those cities and I will need extra tiles to work.

Spoiler Goddess of Protection and Foutaint of Youth :

My spearman heal for 30HP a turn and he tanks all the sh*t throw at him. Im fine with just an archer, a spearman and a chariot so im not buying more now, without road it just not efficient. Im saving my gold to upgrad chariot to skirmisher and buy skirmisher later because it will be cheaper than buy a chariot now and then upgrade.
Im making a settler in Agra because its starving, I dont want to lose that citizen.

Spoiler 2 Religions before me :

There are 2 civs who found before me, one unmet and one is Korea. Im a little bit surprise Korea can found that fast with God of Expanse. The other civ even found sooner with God of War. Synagogues is gone unfortunately, and Korea pick Coucil of Elders, thats a strong Founder belief, it gives tons of science and production early. I normally pick that when playing as warmonger if possible. Korea will be a big threat now. 2 turns left on my Prophet, its likely I will get the 3rd religion.

Spoiler My religion :

I found on turn 138. It will be 20 turns faster if I priotising Shrine over Monument in my cities, but Culture is more important and as India and can found easy enough. I pick Way of Transcendence because its the strongest yield Founder Belief, I will need it to catch up, oh and Im not even in Classical so Im gonna have the very first proc . Mandirs is too good to not pick.

Spoiler Another friend :

Nice!

Spoiler Tired neighbours :

Well, they declared war on the same turn, and ask for peace on the same turn. Whatever, we are at peace for now, but I expect they will comeback soon.

Spoiler Religions :

All religions were founded on turn 151. There are 3 religions on my continent. And China doesnt have one so Im gonna try to convert her, but not before I enhance my religion because I dont want to loose to many beliefs, especially Iconography.

Spoiler Enjoying peaceful time :

My empire is enjoying the peaceful time knowing it will not last long. I build the basic buildings in my cities: Monument, Shrine, Well, Herbalist, Walls, Barack and workers here and there. With my lux being improved and infrastructure being built, Im not in negative happiness anymore. The last war net me a Great General and I let him station in Agra for now. I just unlocked Fraternity the turn before and now I focus on making road. Progress and Pyramid are really shine now. My improvements are getting done in no time.
And I buy some more Skirmishers for future wars.

Thats it for this part. Thank you guys for reading. Hope you guys enjoy it

 

[glider1]

The spoiler system for displaying only the heading is a great idea because readers can choose which chapter they want to look at in more detail
Suggest this should be the go to format for photo-journals if it isn't already.

 

[tu_79]

The spoiler system for displaying only the heading is a great idea because readers can choose which chapter they want to look at in more detail
Suggest this should be the go to format for photo-journals if it isn't already.

And text before the pic, so we know what we are looking at.

Edit. Also, detailed explanation is welcome. Sometimes we just say what we did, when it's much better to know why we did it. There's another After Action Report model where the authors put some drama on his actions and it's also nice to read, but it's less educational.

 

[Minh Le]

Hello guys, its weekend so I have some more free time. I will post another update.

Spoiler Citizen Assignment :

I took some pictures to show how I assign my citizens. I assign my citizens to make the best of total yield or to do thing I need the most. Take Agra for example, I try to balance food and production in here. This city is low on infrastructure so I want it to build up quick, also I get more food and culture when I build buildings.

As for VIJAYAJAJAJAJA, I focus on working those gold tile because I also need gold. Oh and I try to befriend China so I didnt buy that Tobaco.
The term "run out of tiles to work" IMO is bad play. Because you are the one who control your empire birthrate, so plan ahead. I always do that and I change tiles assignment every few turn in all of my cities. Some people will think that it such a chore, but I find it the most interesting aspect of Civ game, min max you empire, aim for a goal. It not that Im neglecting growth, I will grow my cities rapidly when my improvement getting done and I have specialist slots to work.

Spoiler Global monopoly :

I got global monopoly on Tobacco now, it increases my faith output a bit. Nice!

Spoiler Silk road :

Yes I have Silk, so lets make a silk road to China . It net me handsome amount of science and culture.

Spoiler Sending help :

Barbs are invading Bratislava, so Im sending my fast mounted there to help. This quest can give a lot of influence.

Spoiler Sneaky bastard :

Right after when I moved my troops away. Nice one Kamehameha. Oh and Korea declared too, but I didnt take picture. Well, I guess Bratislava have to deal with barbs them selves, my army need to go back to defend.

Spoiler Religion being pushed back :

My religion is getting pressured back in my own city. India's UA is not strong by default, it scale with number of followers. I need to do something about this. I need temples now. As for building, Im building library and market in all of my cities and let them grow to work these slots. Roads are almost done. After that I will improve those strategic and bonus resources, and make farms in my capital, from now on my capital will focus on growth.

Spoiler China built Great Walls :

Well I guess its historical accurate . Oh and Korea is sending Missionary to China, I dont want that, luckily were at war, I can prevent that!

Spoiler Tech path :

Engineering is done. I build the UB ASAP in all of my cities, its very good. I tech to Philosophy because I need temples badly to increase my pressure, 2 of my cities have been converted to Korea religion. After that I go for theology for Garden and Grand Temple, then I go straight to Civil service for the Forbidden Palace. Im closing the gap in tech as my Capital is growing, cities being connected and liabry being built, now im only 5 techs behind.

Spoiler Enhanced my Religion :

I was the first to enhance my Religion, on turn 181. Im gonna work lots of specialist slot, so I pick Mastery, and Iconography. Iconography ignoring Policy requirement for Wonders is extremely strong IMO. I would pick that in what every situation. Im saving my next Prophet to convert China.

Thats it for this part. Thanks you guys for reading .

 

[YukiN]

I'm quite surprised you went with Mandirs into Mastery. I prefer to pick a simple yield faith followed by a building, as I need the faith to spread early and the earlier feature not requiring investment is very nice.

Scholarship would have been nice here since you seem to be lacking in science and you can make use of the high cap as India. I can see the synergy for Mastery as you will be working a lot of slots later on, but the yields are not that much better than scholarship and they come noticeably later; a city of 16 would give 8 yield with scholarship which is equivalent to 4 specialists. Because of this, I would only pick Mastery with Tradition.

Mandirs are very nice and would have been my second belief given the choice, but it's close with Synagogues and Mosques. You'll need something to dump faith in later on.

I would also have used the 2nd Great Prophet to spread rather than enhance. You are about to hit Medieval and having e a few cities converted means quite a lot of yields. The early pressure is also really important as it is a very snowbally effect. Picking a yield belief would have made spreading better, and could have meant another 10 yields per turn after spreading to 4 cities with 1 GP. That said, Iconography is really strong so it's fairly close.

 

[Minh Le]

Well scholarship and inspiration are both gone, as well as Mosque and Synaguages, so Mastery is the most viable option left for me. If I didnt enhance now, I will lose Iconography for sure, and that would be very bad.

 

[YukiN]

Well scholarship and inspiration are both gone, as well as Mosque and Synaguages, so Mastery is the most viable option left for me. If I didnt enhance now, I will lose Iconography for sure, and that would be very bad.

I don't think Scholarship was taken as the first 2 religions went Cooperation and Synagogues from your screenshot. I would have taken it over Mandirs as first belief. I also feel the AI tends not to enhance quickly, but I could be wrong on that. When did they do it this game?

 

[Minh Le]

They do enhance a little bit late, but I dont want to risk, they did found very fast. As for the first belief, I think Mandir is more important than Scholarship, because of pressure and that 10% food and extra faith and counter spy ability, its just too strong.

 

[Owlbebach]

That exactly why Im making settler now, when my capital only has a monument and a shrine and 4 pops. The sooner I get my cities ready, the sooner they get me benefit.

This is very much true too. If you delay yor Settlers (even if you have good settling spots) - later cities will be significantly worse than earlier cities. This means that they always have less buildings and always dragging you behind. They always produce lots of unhappinness. Many times i hadd cities that "have to be good" but that were actually net negative for 75% of the game (though i have to say that this was mostly long time ago, when cost increase weas 10%, crime was in place etc).

I'm 100% sure that for Tradition - you have to settle as soon as possible no matter what. Same for Authority, wxcept when you go to war. Progress is the most difficult cause too many cities will kill you culture - the answer here is to get +2 production asap and settle after that. Sometimes i even build Settlers and then have like 2 or 3 unsettled Settlers waiting for that magic policy.

 

[Owlbebach]

And China doesnt have one so Im gonna try to convert her, but not before I enhance my religion because I dont want to loose to many beliefs, especially Iconography.

Enhancing fast is essential for India because enhanced religions have higher pressure

 

[YukiN]

Would double buildings be good for India? They don't really spend faith on religious units and the extra pressure provides synergy.

 

[Owlbebach]

Would double buildings be good for India? They don't really spend faith on religious units and the extra pressure provides synergy.

Maaaybe... but i'm not sure.... It takes so much time to build them, you need something to help you now, not in the end of Renaissance, when you finish building them

 

[Minh Le]

Double building is good for India I can confirm that. Best combo should be Mandir + Synaguages. But Church and Pagodas make little sense...

 

[Minh Le]

This is very much true too. If you delay yor Settlers (even if you have good settling spots) - later cities will be significantly worse than earlier cities. This means that they always have less buildings and always dragging you behind. They always produce lots of unhappinness. Many times i hadd cities that "have to be good" but that were actually net negative for 75% of the game (though i have to say that this was mostly long time ago, when cost increase weas 10%, crime was in place etc).

I'm 100% sure that for Tradition - you have to settle as soon as possible no matter what. Same for Authority, wxcept when you go to war. Progress is the most difficult cause too many cities will kill you culture - the answer here is to get +2 production asap and settle after that. Sometimes i even build Settlers and then have like 2 or 3 unsettled Settlers waiting for that magic policy.

+2P is now the 2nd policy so we dont need to wait like that anymore

 

[tu_79]

+2P is now the 2nd policy so we dont need to wait like that anymore

You are welcome.

 

[BiteInTheMark]

I tried now a new India game and gave progress a chance, but Iam disappointed. I dunno if the conditions were worse, but I needed much longer to spam my settlers and get all my cities online.
Thanks to the culture from tradition opener, you reach the next policy relative fast. And unlocking then the hammer policy can lead, together with the 2 more pop by opener, to 11 more hammer (2 pop on hills +4, unique building +3, all cities +1, engineer +3).
In total, the effect of the progress policy is greater with more cities, but it doesn't help that much with the settler spam from the capital.
Another problem I already mentioned, my cities run out of tiles. The lack of the culture cost reduction for new tiles is definitiv noticeable. I hope the extra construction speed, culture from buildings and mainly the happiness policy is worth the sacrifices.

Iam always trying to get M&Ms for india. (Mandir and Mastery)

And Iam not sure if it was the best idea to go for diplomatic victory with france in the west, zulu in the north and greece in the east (And iroques, Assyria, Spain and Rome)

 

[Minh Le]

I tried now a new India game and gave progress a chance, but Iam disappointed. I dunno if the conditions were worse, but I needed much longer to spam my settlers and get all my cities online.
Thanks to the culture from tradition opener, you reach the next policy relative fast. And unlocking then the hammer policy can lead, together with the 2 more pop by opener, to 11 more hammer (2 pop on hills +4, unique building +3, all cities +1, engineer +3).
In total, the effect of the progress policy is greater with more cities, but it doesn't help that much with the settler spam from the capital.
Another problem I already mentioned, my cities run out of tiles. The lack of the culture cost reduction for new tiles is definitiv noticeable. I hope the extra construction speed, culture from buildings and mainly the happiness policy is worth the sacrifices.

Iam always trying to get M&Ms for india. (Mandir and Mastery)

And Iam not sure if it was the best idea to go for diplomatic victory with france in the west, zulu in the north and greece in the east (And iroques, Assyria, Spain and Rome)

Yes Tradition will make those settlers out much faster than Progress, but those secondary cities are tend to be weaker than Progress's cities. Progress struggles in the early game, but it will shine later.

 

[chicorbeef]

I don't particularly like Mastery. I've always been underwhelmed when I try it.

Why not Cathedrals? They seem tailor made for an Artistry India (Golden Age boosts all that gold).

 

[Minh Le]

I don't particularly like Mastery. I've always been underwhelmed when I try it.

Why not Cathedrals? They seem tailor made for an Artistry India (Golden Age boosts all that gold).

Well I have like 4 horses and 1 sheep. And I even dont work those tile very often.

 

[chicorbeef]

Well I have like 4 horses and 1 sheep. And I even dont work those tile very often.

Cathedrals boost Farms as well.