When people rave about Civ4 (and it was a great game) they remember the way it was after two expansions and years of modding. How we forget the initial reactions on its release. Here a a few reminders from the civfans archive. It all sounds really familiar. -- A mess. It looks like a sloppy mess. I can't help but think they are trying to make Civilization more 'chic' than it's meant to be by using this new layout and design. The engine looks fantastic with Pirates, but they shouldn't use Civ4 as an excuse to get more use out of it. Maybe if they shrunk those damn units down to a somwhat-more proportioned size it would look alot better. -- Is it just me or do all the screenshots of Civ IV, and now the E3, make it look kind of cartoony, like a little kids' game? If it's as good as Civ III then I'll play it regardless, but so far I'm not liking the game's aesthetic. Civ I through III all had a sophisticated kind of board-game-with-motion look to them, but with this one it seems Firaxis is trying to appeal to a greater audience. -- Oh God, it looks terrible! I simply don't understand WHY THE HELL must they do the terrain in 3D. I guess today's PC games players won't even touch anything, what does not have wonderful 3D graphics. I fear the 3D graphics will be everything what Civ4 can offer... -- I am very very upset. I hate what this game has come to be, even though I am a fanatic of the Civ series, I will not buy CivIV because it is a traitor to what Civ always meant for me, realistic simulation of world conquest.. and now it looks like a cartoonish ugly game that is just too ugly to play. -- This game does not look like a Civ game, I don't think it deserves to be labeled as CivIV. Firaxis, I demand an apology for making me wait for several years for CivIV and come up with a piss-poor looking game. You have betrayed me, you have betrayed the modding community, and you betrayed yourselves. -- AI is always talked up but never delivered very well... so I'm hoping for lots of eyecandy this time ... That would make me happy and they CAN deliver it... AI? Sure would make me happy... but they CAN'T deliver it. -- Instead of starting a lame thread about AI's capabilities, we should give some valuable input. So here is my idea: make the AI better! -- Obviously developing a game is a business, but I'm worried that Civ4 is trying to catch a market by sacrificing the gameplay that has made it a classic among strategy fans. -- I have been a player of CIV since CIV I. I am always the first of my friends to pick it up, and I am always the one who convinces my friends to purchase it. This is the last piece of software I'll be buying from Firaxis. I'll ensure my friends address this similarly. Firaxis should consider actually testing their products adequately in the future before shipping. My system is more than adequate to run their software, yet said software will not run. At first, it ran, but terrain didn't display (it was all black, only people, cities, and resources appeared). I reinstalled, and now it simply doesn't run. To Hell with Firaxis. By the way, don't even try the support line. Call back in 24 hours my ass....... -- I wonder if this site will post the drop in Firaxis and Take 2 stock price tomorrow, when the plethora of consumers return the game and say goodbye to the series for good. Too bad they couldn't make a game that would run on a 10 month old laptop. Best of luck to Civ IV and not be able to reach your core market. I would put in a frowny face here, but there would be a full face and since I can't see one of those I won't give ya'll the extra pleasure. -- Have played for five or so hours, having a lot of fun BUT the game is quite buggy in my opinion. -- Now that I know that the time limit of the game is 400 turns and now that I've seen the tech-tree I can say without any doubt that they've assassinated Civilization. And even the maps got smaller... -- "If you don't like it - mod it" is only a small step away from "If you don't like it, write your own game." In other words, it's neither helpful nor productive. Most of the things that people want are because they think they will objectively improve the game. It's not Coke vs. Pepsi where it's just personal preference. We want the game to be the best it can be as released straight from the source. I'm not paying $50 for a fixer-upper.