investigating 9/11

[lolcats]

I wanted to talk to you about a controverstial subject that many people dont want to talk about. I can understand why because for many people that are forced into silence by their employers they cant talk about 9/11 freely, but I hoped that maybe here some people are willing.

First i watched a video called Loose Change and thats what really got me started looking into 9/11. And with all the evidence we have about 9/11 proving it was an inside job orchestrated by the illuminati (dont believe those people that say it was Bush who planned it. like Bush was smart enough to do it himself lol!) I think you should all watch Loose Change if you havent, also another good documentary is Zeitgeist. There are many other good films about the truth of 9/11 but I cant list them all here because it would take up too much time!

Like how steel cant melt under the fires because they werent hot enough. Many evidences have been discovered by Scholars for 9/11 truth like Richard Gage and David Ray Griffin and Jim Fetzer, like how the dust on the towers proves that it was thermite bombs they used because the dust paritcles couldnt have come from anything else and the pyroclastic clouds that came from the buildings after they were demolished can only come from thermite charges. Or how many people said they heard explosions in the buildings and we have video evidence of explosions taking the building down at the speed of gravity. We even have evidence of Larry Silverstein admitting he pulled the building on tv and some people still dont believe! Its like if there were a video of HItler admitting to killing millions of jews and still some neonazis wouldnt believe it!!!! Incredible !!!!!

So my question is just that when will people wake up? I know were under attack by hearst yellow journalism publications like PM, because the truth is always attacked. They laughed at us for years then they tried to ignore us and that didnt work so now theyre attacking us. How long do you think until the government agrees to stop lying and allow a new investigation into 9/11? Obviously their investigations (the 9/11 omission report lol!) are tainted by corporate illuminati money and we need real researchers to do the job, but when do you think that will happen. Im optimistic and i think we can do it in a few years, but what do you think?

If neone has any questions about 9/11 and false flag terror attacks by the illuminati I would be happy to explain them to you. A lot of people dont know about our evidences, so if you want I can present them to you as well if you dont know them. Please remember to be pleasant and respectful in my thread, i dont want this turning into flaming of other people.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

I saw a History Channel special in which almost everything claimed in Loose Change was disproved. So I don't give that crapola any sanction.

 

[lolcats]

I saw a History Channel special in which almost everything claimed in Loose Change was disproved. So I don't give that crapola any sanction.

Ya I saw that hit piece too. They didnt even deal with the evidence they just dismissed it without looking at it. Is that what you want from your researchers? People that dont even look at any evidence that doesnt confirm their views? Besides they all cited Popular Mechanics which is part of the Hearst empire, and we all remember the uss Maine dont we? I really want to have a discussion with people that iwll look at the evidence and study it with an open mind without political biased.

 

[GoodGame]

I started to read the 9/11 report, was very impressed. Try reading that too.

If you think anything could be a lie from a manipulating secret group, well not much to do then drop out and become a survivalist, I'm afraid.

 

[CCRunner]

Anyways, here's some questions for you--

What possible motive would the 'iluminati' have for murdering thousands of americans?
How do you explain that Al Queda (sp?) has taken responsibility for it?
How do you explain the fact that a freaking plane flew into the towers in front of the biggest city in America? That definitely wasn't a bomb and I think somebody might have noticed the lack of airplanes. Or is all of New York part of the 'Illuminati' too?

Just so you know, until you have real proof (as in a confession by the US government), you're not going to convince me.

I saw a History Channel special in which almost everything claimed in Loose Change was disproved. So I don't give that crapola any sanction.

I've seen that too.

 

[Whomp]

I suggest searching Bamspeedy's posts on the topic. Here's a start...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=260295&highlight=Loose+change

 

[Formaldehyde]

I wanted to talk to you about a controverstial subject that many people dont want to talk about. I can understand why because for many people that are forced into silence by their employers they cant talk about 9/11 freely, but I hoped that maybe here some people are willing.

What a great way to start this type of thread! I haven't heard that particular conspiracy theory before! So, which employers won't let people talk about 9/11? And how would they know?

ISo my question is just that when will people wake up?

Nice troll!

IHow long do you think until the government agrees to stop lying and allow a new investigation into 9/11?

Ditto.

Please remember to be pleasant and respectful in my thread, i dont want this turning into flaming of other people.

How thoughtful.

You know you have reached an entirely new level of conspiracy theories when the US government takes the time to debunk your flicks:

http://www.america.gov/st/pubs-english/2007/March/20070330134723abretnuh0.9919245.html

“Loose Change” Debunked
Amateurish video on 9/11 full of errors, faulty reasoning

Loose Change is perhaps the most popular September 11 conspiracy-theory video, with its various editions reportedly logging more than 10 million web views. The most recent version, Loose Change Second Edition Recut, had more than 5 million web views as of March 2007.

Despite the video’s extraordinary popularity, its claims are so absurd that they are considered an embarrassment by other conspiracy theorists, some of whom have written lengthy critiques of the video’s most outlandish claims.

Wow. That's harsh when other 9/11 conspiracy theorists diss someone else's conspiracy theories.

More here:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/

 

[civhelp121]

You guys have done a pretty good job of responding. I'd just like to add one thing about the steel melting.

Bear in mind the steel in these structres need to support a lot of weight. Even if Steel isn't melted by the heat the drastic increase in heat would likely weaken the steel. furthermore, where the planes hit all that steel is taken out of the building, causing the surrounding steel to take on more weight then they are designed to handle. Hence the collapse.

 

[Dachs]

Oh yeah? Debunk this!

 

[lolcats]

Anyways, here's some questions for you--

What possible motive would the 'iluminati' have for murdering thousands of americans?
How do you explain that Al Queda (sp?) has taken responsibility for it?
How do you explain the fact that a freaking plane flew into the towers in front of the biggest city in America? That definitely wasn't a bomb and I think somebody might have noticed the lack of airplanes. Or is all of New York part of the 'Illuminati' too?

Just so you know, until you have real proof (as in a confession by the US government), you're not going to convince me.
I've seen that too.

First of all thank you for your questions. I like to discuss and explain to people because not everyone is familiar with my point of view and thank you for giving me the opportunity.

The illuminati wanted to do 9/11 so they could have justification for removing liberties and freedoms and turn many countries into police states, and after that is done they will start merging all countries to take away our sovereignty to put us all in one enslaved global market for their goods. Its pretty easy to see. Look for evidence to this to the North American Union, the Amero, and many places around the world federalizing like in South America, Southeast Asia, and of course Europe and North America.

HOw do you explain that bin laden looks different in all the videos we allegedly have of him? Hes always different height, with different hair, and they conveniently find the videos inside buidlings in war zones! Why arent the tapes blown up like the houses? It makes no sense. The tapes are probably fakes, but even if they arent, a confession isnt enough to convict someone.

And no one thinks that there were no planes, those people are crazy. Smart people understand there were planes but they were just part of the scheme to make it look like there were no bombs, to cover it up. But they didnt do a good job of it because we now know for certain it was the bombs and that the planes didnt do enough to cause the buildings to collapse.

Why do you want a confession? Criminals still say theyre innocent even after convincted so why would you expect war criminals who did 9/11 to admit it?

 

[Bigfoot3814]

Ya I saw that hit piece too. They didnt even deal with the evidence they just dismissed it without looking at it. Is that what you want from your researchers? People that dont even look at any evidence that doesnt confirm their views?

I only saw the show once, and I'm just doing this from memory, but I was pretty much satisfied with their analysis. I don't think they dismissed any evidence without looking at it.

Honestly man, I think it's you Truthers who'd rather not look at the evidence that doesn't confirm your views. Conspiracy theorists take comfort in thinking they've outsmarted everybody else.

Not to mention, weren't the researchers for Loose Change actually a bunch of people who weren't really experts on anything?

 

[emzie]

To start out, I wish to make clear I'm not a member of the Illuminati.

Now that we got that clear, might I ask for your name, phone number, date of birth, social security number, address and which window, when viewed from the street, is your bedroom?

Thank you for your assistance,

matthew

 

[woody60707]

Is there sometype of mental illness or something that explain why people still believe this?

 

[Aramazd]

Loose Change has been throughouly debunked, so some better evidence would be necessary, if I am to believe anything.

To start out, I wish to make clear I'm not a member of the Illuminati.

Now that we got that clear, might I ask for your name, phone number, date of birth, social security number, address and which window, when viewed from the street, is your bedroom?

Thank you for your assistance,

matthew

Of course your not a member of the Illuminati. WeThey already know that information.

 

[lolcats]

I only saw the show once, and I'm just doing this from memory, but I was pretty much satisfied with their analysis. I don't think they dismissed any evidence without looking at it.

Honestly man, I think it's you Truthers who'd rather not look at the evidence that doesn't confirm your views. Conspiracy theorists take comfort in thinking they've outsmarted everybody else.

Not to mention, weren't the researchers for Loose Change actually a bunch of people who weren't really experts on anything?

We in the movement have looked at all evidence, and its obvious that the official story does not add up. If you have some evidence that proves the official story, I would be happy to look at it as I look at all evidence when forming my conclusion. I have seen most of the evidence but Im honest enough to admit that there might be some out there I havent seen that might change my view. So please help me and show some more evidence if you wish.

There are plenty of people in Loose Change and they are legitimate researchers. Theres this one guy that is a demolitions expoert with no ties to the 9/11 truth movement and they showed him a video of building 7 falling without telling him it was on 9/11, and he was positive it was a controlled demolition! Then when they told him it was on 9/11 he was like "WTH, really?" Besides when PM said theres no expertise theyre usually just resorting to personal attacks and character assassination (which btw i am grateful there has been none so far in this thread. Thank you for the good discussion).

 

[woody60707]

We in the movement have looked at all evidence, and its obvious that the official story does not add up. ...

Ok why, please tell me WHY would they do this.

These people have all this power to FULLY control the sole superpower in the world; the media, goverment, law enforcement, the armed forces, and pretty much everything else in the USA. For this to work, past and future presidents and congress must be in the loop. Why do all this to invade Iraq, but not find now WMD's. You with the BIGGEST cover up in the history of the world,.......for Iraq???? Why couldn't they plant WMD's. You can pull of 9/11, you can fake some crapply made chem weapons.

Any group of people who have this much power must have the money too match. And with this much power, they could make their money by means of insider trading and such. You wouldn't EVER know they were robbing you blind. To make them self know like this would be counter productive.

If people had the means to pull off 9/11, they won ALONG time ago. What would make pulling off a 9/11 pointless.

You can try to point out that odd tree here or there, But I want you to explain the forest! Really, explain it.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I have seen most of the evidence but Im honest enough to admit that there might be some out there I havent seen that might change my view. So please help me and show some more evidence if you wish.

Alright. Let me try. Here's the indisputable facts I know so far.

On 9/11, 19 Al Qaeda terrorists hijacked 4 commercial planes, two from Boston, one from Newark, and one from DC.

One plane hit the North Tower of the World Trade Center. The building subsequently collapsed.

One plane hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center. The building subsequently collapsed.

One plane hit the Pentagon. The building was extensively damaged.

One plane left a big hole in the ground in Pennsylvania.

I hope this helps.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

We in the movement have looked at all evidence, and its obvious that the official story does not add up. If you have some evidence that proves the official story, I would be happy to look at it as I look at all evidence when forming my conclusion. I have seen most of the evidence but Im honest enough to admit that there might be some out there I havent seen that might change my view. So please help me and show some more evidence if you wish.

If by the "official story" you mean the 9/11 Commission Report, I don't know if it's 100% right or not, but really, I find the whole idea of a vast government conspiracy, and the secret societies and stuff, it's ridiculous to me. I don't feel like I need to humor any of that. Radical Islamic terrorists hijacked airplanes and crashed them into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and tried to hit Washington DC.

I don't have any specific evidence for you, but that's what I think happened, and I've yet to see anything to truly compel me to believe otherwise. To be quite honest I try not to spend too much time thinking about this. Formaldehyde posted something, maybe it's worth looking into.

There are plenty of people in Loose Change and they are legitimate researchers. Theres this one guy that is a demolitions expoert with no ties to the 9/11 truth movement and they showed him a video of building 7 falling without telling him it was on 9/11, and he was positive it was a controlled demolition! Then when they told him it was on 9/11 he was like "WTH, really?" Besides when PM said theres no expertise theyre usually just resorting to personal attacks and character assassination (which btw i am grateful there has been none so far in this thread. Thank you for the good discussion).

He could've been mistaken. It was only one man's opinion.

 

[Annex]

HOw do you explain that bin laden looks different in all the videos we allegedly have of him? Hes always different height, with different hair, and they conveniently find the videos inside buidlings in war zones! Why arent the tapes blown up like the houses? It makes no sense. The tapes are probably fakes, but even if they arent, a confession isnt enough to convict someone.

We dont solely rely on discovering tapes for infomation, you know. Jihad movements (especially Al Qaeda) have their own dissemination methods.

http://docs.rferl.org/en-US/AQ_Media_Nexus.pdf

 

[lolcats]

Ok why, please tell me WHY would they do this.

These people have all this power to FULLY control the sole superpower in the world; the media, goverment, law enforcement, the armed forces, and pretty much everything else in the USA. For this to work, past and future presidents and congress must be in the loop. Why do all this to invade Iraq, but not find now WMD's. You with the BIGGEST cover up in the history of the world,.......for Iraq???? Why couldn't they plant WMD's. You can pull of 9/11, you can fake some crapply made chem weapons.

Any group of people who have this much power must have the money too match. And with this much power, they could make their money by means of insider trading and such. You wouldn't EVER know they were robbing you blind. To make them self know like this would be counter productive.

If people had the means to pull off 9/11, they won ALONG time ago. What would make pulling off a 9/11 pointless.

You can try to point out that odd tree here or there, But I want you to explain the forest! Really, explain it.

I already told you why they did it, and it had nothing to do with Iraq. They wanted to unite the world into one country so that they could have one giant market for their goods to make us buy. But they couldnt do that with democratic countries so they had to turn all our countries into police states first. And they needed an enemy to scare people into giving up their freedoms and the 9/11 attacks were the way of doing that. They pretended it was a bunch of Arabs with boxcutters and suddenly everyone was afraid and would let them do what they want.

Now I have to go to bed now because I have school tomorrow but please continue to leave your replies and I will reply to them tomorrow night. Thank you for the discussion so far, I like it when people can talk without personal attacks.