ZeletDude
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Aww I wanted Spain
I'll Let you have it.Can I have France then?
Also I Vote YES on locking up the Americas.!
IOT Developmental Thread
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I'll Let you have it.Can I have France then?
Also I Vote YES on locking up the Americas.!
Lighthearter
President of the United States
NO to locking up the Americas.
I really think that that plays against IOT waaaay too much. I'm either going to be Korea or a Native American nation and would like to have that choice.
- Lighthearter
I really think that that plays against IOT waaaay too much. I'm either going to be Korea or a Native American nation and would like to have that choice.
- Lighthearter
Reiser
Young Christian
Maybe Arakhor can have Italy, for I wish to be Germany, although also it will be heavily unlikely.
To make this post legal:
No to locking up the Americas. I doubt an European nation would have an American colony early anyways.
However, I do wish that there be early weak NPCs in the Americas, specifically the US, so the United States nations don't fill up on claims too fast.
To make this post legal:
No to locking up the Americas. I doubt an European nation would have an American colony early anyways.
However, I do wish that there be early weak NPCs in the Americas, specifically the US, so the United States nations don't fill up on claims too fast.
NO ONE IS SHOTGUNING ANYTHING
I vote NO to Mathalamus' Expansion Idea (IMO, unrealistic and unnecessarily restrictive), YES to Zelet's and a definite NO to locking up the Americas (we should be able to play as an American native).
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Zelet's Expansion Idea
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I vote NO to Mathalamus' Expansion Idea (IMO, unrealistic and unnecessarily restrictive), YES to Zelet's and a definite NO to locking up the Americas (we should be able to play as an American native).
Current Votes:
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For - 2
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Zelet's Expansion Idea
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Mathalamus' Expansion Idea
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Locking up the Americas
For - 4
Against - 4
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
unrealistic? how is a 36,000 population barely existing state able to claim anywhere in Africa? i was attempting to add some realism...
But... but... Belgium once ruled a colony 80 times the size of its mainland. Britain had a massive Empire spanning many many times the size of its home islands. A few million Britons in India ruled a few hundred million Indians. The Dutch Republic was able to become a Great Power despite being tiny compared to other Great Powers like France. Even smaller countries like Kurland were able to claim land in the Americas and Africa, if only a few coastal colonies. The Safavids conquered all of Persia starting with a tiny strip of land in Azerbaijan, Babur started with even less when he set out to conquer Northern India. In short, it's not really your size that affects your ability to expand but rather your power.
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
that is true, but there are limits. if i fully recover and i am a strong economic (and thus military) power i cannot claim all of Brazil for example. i can claim a small area like the 13 states. until they revolt. does that make sense?
That's why we have limits on how much you can expand each turn...
You are proposing a size-dependent limit, which I disagree with.
Mathalamus
Emperor of Mathalia
oh now i get it. the size doesn't factor in because you can consolidate territory more (which European civilizations have a great deal of difficulty doing). sorry to bother you...
Simple, you wait for the natives to start dying off from disease, then slaughter them, convert the survivors to Christianity, replace part of the population with your own people (or your people's slaves), and gun down any rebels. Or, case of Asia and Africa, bribe/blackmail/co-op with the local rulers.
Edit: well, yes, of course there are many many other factors in play.
ZeletDude
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Well there is a way To make it so we can lock the Americas from the Europeans and still have natives civilizations there.
Basically you make it so they can't expand as much, say 2-3 provinces a turn (or Maybe Less). And While this may sound like its unfair, or some such. It can basically solve both problems stated.
So basically once the Europeans arrive THEN the Natives can expand normally.
What Do Y'all (I never say that word!
) think of this?
Obviously this solves both problems.
Basically you make it so they can't expand as much, say 2-3 provinces a turn (or Maybe Less). And While this may sound like its unfair, or some such. It can basically solve both problems stated.
So basically once the Europeans arrive THEN the Natives can expand normally.
What Do Y'all (I never say that word!
) think of this?Obviously this solves both problems.
But I wanted to start in Brazil, and colonize Portugal, Angola, Moçambique, Cabo Verde, The Coastline on the Arabian Sea, East Timor, Ceylon and Macau (all the historical Portuguese Colonies).
ZeletDude
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But I wanted to start in Brazil, and colonize Portugal, Angola, Moçambique, Cabo Verde, The Coastline on the Arabian Sea, East Timor, Ceylon and Macau (all the historical Portuguese Colonies).
Why Not just Start as Portugal Then ?
Your just being difficult now
DroopyTofu
Double Bass Double Bass
I don't know when I'm going to be on again, (soon, but I don't know how many hours). I'll just close it in 24 hours and count later.
