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IOT X: The Space Race

Discussion in 'Imperium OffTopicum' started by Tani Coyote, Nov 6, 2012.

  1. Patriotic_Fool

    Patriotic_Fool The Mitt ©

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    OOC alliance I say. Daedwartin and Austria both join and neither seem to have a neutral stance on the war affair, despite not being involved. Oh well, NOT MY PROBLEM NOW HAHAHHA!!
     
  2. NinjaCow64

    NinjaCow64 Thought Bubble Thinker Supporter

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    Wait, what?
     
  3. Daedwartin

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    Actually, GED IS in-universe. We even announced its existence in the UN thread.
     
  4. Ailedhoo

    Ailedhoo wonderer

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    Venice is a GED member. Austria is a socialist power like the S.U.D.S, hencing also coming to aid a fellow socialist power.
     
  5. Patriotic_Fool

    Patriotic_Fool The Mitt ©

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    National Socialist German Worker's party.

    Derp

    Just because you have the same social policies does not mean you instantly ally and declare war.
    I mean come on, look at history.
     
  6. Ailedhoo

    Ailedhoo wonderer

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    OOC: the Nazis are not socialists. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not a democratic state despire having democratic in the title.

    Anyway Austria may see the SUDS as a fellow ideological comrade and the Nazis chemicals against the SUSD. The use of chemicals goes against the rules of war.
     
  7. Daedwartin

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    Excuse me, we do not have the same social polices. R.A.U.C is a outright corporate dictatorship, SUDS and Austria are socialist democracies, New Zulu and Imperial Germany are capitalist monarchies (Zulu inferred from being having the name of Empire), and Venice....
    is both a capitalistic and socialist (we are walking on a extremely thin line in this regards. A minuscule change economic policy is all that's needed to truely make us a true command economy, as our legal structure is providing most the hallmarks of a socialist state.) military democracy, in which the military tends see its members elected to congress (only one civilian congressman in its history, due to our violent beginnings, and constitutionally is a military police during times of war...Somehow trying to fit in the world as a merchant republic.
    Our only unifying factors are our views that the UN is trying to being imperialistic, and we wish to see Gaia reborn and rise to take the fight to XONES's very creators. Once that's done, we find ways to prevent this from occurring again. We are the Gaian Entente of Defense.
    GAIA REBORN! GAIA RISES!
     
  8. Jehoshua

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    Hate to correct you, but Nazism did amongst its inconsistencies and strange logic paths, indeed contain socialist elements, and I would say they implemented particularly in the 30's many seemingly socialist policies. That said any study of nazism makes it clear that it was warped into a socialism of the "master race" rather than your run of the mill social democracy or the marxism of the university campus, things more familiar to a present day audience. Indeed to point out some examples of nazi socialists, Ernst Rohm head of the SA (and certain other Nazi's) held radically socialist anti-capitalist positions and Goebbels is on record as saying that in the final analysis it would be better to choose Bolshevism rather than live in "the eternal slavery" of a capitalist system.

    PS: Don't tell me I'm wrong, because a) Im not, and b) I really don't want to have an annoying discussion, like one I had (to use an example) with a certain individual who doesn't study political theories like I do who seemed to think neoliberalism was actually conservatism, and that misapplications of terms was actually acceptable practice. (point being that the term socialism, is regularly misapplied nowadays, or shackled on to only one variant of the thing)
     
  9. Tani Coyote

    Tani Coyote Son of Huehuecoyotl

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    Never mind such a discussion may result in penalties for parties involved. :mischief:

    XONES as always humors the notion that Terrestrials are capable of overthrowing him. One's test subjects need something to strive for, right?
     
  10. Ailedhoo

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    OCC: I will not bring issue of a talk on another thread, barring a small comment that Thatcher and Reagan were conseratives: they were "liberal" in ecomonics but not neccessary socially. That said as a international politics student I will make a reference:

    Now yes the Nazis were seeing themselves as alteratives to capitalists but anti-capitalist does not equal socialist, as does being not blue does not mean one is red. There is a reason why the Nazis felt they were a "third way." Their ecomonics were quite centralist, with admitting blandings of a bit of socialism and a bit of capitalism. However it would be crude to suggest Nazism was socialist, just as it would be crude to suggest Nazism as capitalist.
     
  11. Jehoshua

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    OOC: As an international relations/politics and history student I totally agree with you. The relevant quote being (with the rest being elaboration of that main point)

    "Hate to correct you, but Nazism did amongst its inconsistencies and strange logic paths, indeed contain socialist elements..."

    Ergo, as to the comments after your substandard reference, read my posts properly, and respond to the points rather that going along with your ordinary strategy of arguing to points your opponents never actually made or warping points that were made to imply something different to what they actually mean.

    Anyways to spare tani the indignity of punishing you for incompetence at debate and general irritation factor (and to spare you the indignity of reaffirming point a) in my last post) , I will refrain from responding to your commentary and reference and will conveniently end this discussion here. If you are like so many of our fellow political students posessed of psychosis and can't restrain yourself from political argument and thus do respond, please note I won't be answering, afterall as I implied in the last paragraph, appropriate debating form is not your strong point.
     
  12. Ailedhoo

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    OOC: Says the "you wrong, I am right" stater. Yet the talk then if it be but note this: pride before fall.

    As for my debating skills that is not to be judged and the fact you bring it up suggests a lack of focus in your debating.

    However this talk is not for a IOT.

    IC: The Socialist Union of Democratic States will drive out the imperial invaders that bring harm! Viva la revolution!
     
  13. Jehoshua

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    OOC: I did debating on an international level, I have judged at national and international level school debating. I know what I'm talking about and the fact I am not addressing you point for point and am simply saying "Im right" (which I am) on the nazism thing reflects that, and is also because I would rather not clutter this thread, because its somewhere around 2:00 am in the morning in my current locale.

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    IC: Tibet has decided to send pamphlets across the world to persons interested in following Tibetan Buddhism which despite the loss of many books and almost all ancient texts, has been preserved unaltered from the time of Buddha to the present day.

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    PS: I altered the truth about the not responding. :p
     
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  15. Tani Coyote

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    I curse my newfound faith's helping me understand mercy. I will ignore the above debate...

    Don't let it happen again, folks. :p
     
  16. Gath_Stormer

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    Imperial Germany is through. Who are you protecting? Scandinavia does not have any hostile tendencies towards any other nation. Peace is the most logical choice. Are you to carry out this war costing the lives of many of your people to fight a people that has no interest in invading you or are you going to allow the Scandinvians to keep the war torn state of Imperial Germany and rebuild it and have peace on this Earth.
     
  17. NinjaCow64

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    No. We will not have peace until Germany is free. Or you agree to talk about freeing Germany.
     
  18. Daedwartin

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    Meanwhile in the Venetian Congress, spoken by a congressman who is notorious for being emotionless, to the point its annoying:
    WHAT PEACE WOULD THAT BE? A PEACE WITH A IMPERIALISTIC, HYPOCRITICAL, WARMONGERING EMPIRE, WHO AS THE ONE WHO INVADED IMPERIAL GERMANY BECAUSE " IT WOULD BE A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY FERTILE SOIL, WAAA". A PEACE THAT WOULD REMOVE THE FREEDOM OF THE CITIZENS OF THE GERMAN EMPIRE. LAST TIME GERMANY ACCEPTED A PEACE WITH EXTREMELY PUNITIVE DEMANDS, IT CAUSED THE VERY MADMAN IN CONTROL OF SOUTHERN GERMANY TODAY TO TAKE CONTROL OF GERMANY, AND CAUSED A WORLD WAR. THE GERMAN PEOPLE WOULD NEVER ACCEPT SUCH A TREATY LEAVING THEM WITH MOST OF THEIR POPULATION UNDER THE CONTROL OF MADMEN AND IMPERIALISTIC CONQUERS. THESE ARE MORE OPPRESSIVE THAN THE TREATY OF VERSAILLES. I AM OUTRAGED BY THIS PEACE OFFERING. I PUT FORTH THIS COUNTER-TREATY: white peace. the borders of Germany and Scandinavia are reset to what they were before Scandinavia invaded.
    100-0. the mere fact the least emotional congressman was yelling with fury, when it takes the equivalent of a 100 Megaton nuke in insults to get a third of the response here tends to influence more than a few people. therefor, you don't want to know how emotional the most emotional congressman was...
    Military Council: 129-0
    during times of war, the military council is formed. this is made up of all 3 and 4 star admirals and generals. it counts as the upper house, and has veto power over congress. it exists only during war and martial law.
     
  19. swimandciv

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    King Philip looked over his Pines considering his options. "great tribe of boys that came from Australia. We are under threat. There is another tribe on the mainland that presumes they can tell others what to think. They ignore power and instead favor peace. The Buddhists must learn as we did that suffering is not an evil but is in fact the origin of all strength and honor in this world. Hopefully we will not need to expend much effort to bring home our point."
     
  20. ilduce349

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    I'm not going to read all of these posts about the war but Austria has a few simple demands:
    All France goes to SUDS
    Arabia has 0 land in Europe.
    Imperial Germany regains the land lost in the war.

    Once these 3 demands are met, Austria will leave the GED.

    And who knows, should in the long run the GED prove to be imperialist warmongers then Austria will switch sides.
     

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