IOT X: The Space Race

[Patriotic_Fool]

Imperialism

1) Imperialist Germany are our neighbors. Anyone who claims that Nazi Germany or Scandinavia are imperialists should check the name of your eastern neighbor. Yurp.

They exercised the first true Imperialist action: The seizure of a rightful Nazi province. Did we declare war on them? Did we attack them? Did we even pose a threat to them? If you answered no, then you are correct!

They unrightfully invaded us, and now that we got our allies to assist us in taming this evil greedy Jewish machine, we are accused of Imperialism? What a joke.


French Foolishness

2) France's actions have been nothing more than unjustified. When the war began, Nazi Germany offered an agreement that left France in control of 3/5 of the disputed provinces. That was not enough, they wanted them all. They went to war, foolishly thinking they could best us Nazis. A turn passed, and we managed to secure all our rightful territories. Peace was offered to the French and all her allies, a generous offer coming from a victor. They refused peace. They wanted their disputed territories. The French had the gall to threaten the Reich, considering we were on the winning side of the war. So the Reich and her allies geared up for another attack, one that would show France that she had to submit to the Reich and agree to peace. What happened?

France lost half her territories. France still demand that we give up conquered territories, and restore the "true French borders". This very notion is absurd. They have claimed since the beginning of the war that we would lose, but every year brings more Nazi victories. There is no evidence to the contrary.

We offer one final peace deal. If France steps down and accepts peace, and agrees to pay Nazi germany 3 XP per turn for 5 turns as reparations, we will not utterly destroy them. If they refuse, France will cease to exist as a nation.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

Ukraine is not fertile. The Scandinavian gods demand BLOOD!

 

[Jehoshua]

Also it looks like Jeho's proposal has passed de facto if not de jure; the UN's going to solely be an international diplomacy thread and not anything else, since no one can agree on / ratify a governing document.

Everyone knows Tibet is full of wise sages on every street corner. It should be no surprise that this recognition of reality as it is comes from the roof of the world.

 

[Daedwartin]

Venice proposes this following treaty to All combatants in south France.

Arabia and Macedonia will return all southern French holdings to SUDS. New Gaul will be incorporated into SUDS as the Economic Free Zone of New Gaul, which will be allowed for 20 years to remain a capitalistic economy. Whether this will continue will be determined by SUDS. This comprimse will stop a very controversial intervention viewed as a imperial campian by GED as well has placate any unnessarracy fears of socialist oppression. Venice however can attest that these fears are baseless. We can confirm that they are truly free elections in SUDS. It is most likened to the USSR's poltical sturcture in 1991, which was basically a parliamentary system. their is no dictatorship. they are actually Have more freedom then Venetians, which is impressive considering our freedoms we allow are similar to that of the former US. Arabia and Macedonia will consider the Nazi Germany conflict a regional affair of GED.

GED will in return support the pony consitution...however frightening and absurd Intellengent, Sapiant, Sentient, Human-language speaking multi-colored ponies are...

All will move to stop Scandinavia from achieving its imperialistic goals.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

*wishes he was Stalin still so he could re-educate Tibetian Sages on the principles of Communism*

 

[GenMarshall]

Claims as follows:

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

Venice proposes this following treaty to All combatants in south France.

Arabia and Macedonia will return all southern French holdings to SUDS.

I stopped reading at that part. Southern French holdings have been rightfully conquered.

The French brought this madness upon themselves. They had every opportunity for peace.

The only peace they get now is that they aren't destroyed. They have 2 options:

1) Accept the Nazi peace deal and pay reparations to us, and LIVE, or...

2) Refuse the Nazi peace deal and be destroyed.

 

[Daedwartin]

Ukraine is not fertile. The Scandinavian gods demand BLOOD!

OOC:
P_F...The nation produced most of the USSR's food...and still is one the largest producers of food. Go watch Hetalia: Axis Powers. Ukraine's nation-tan( I.e. charterer in it) is noted for her vast fertile tracts of land, pun intended. For the reason of Ukraines's very fertile soil. Fo play as Kiev in RFCE (same thing as playing ukraine). Your UP involves more food production..heck, one of the UHVs is to gather 12000 food. Their are few places less fertile. Thier was a reason Chernobyl caused such a panic. It hit their food production hard.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

OOC:
-snip-

TL, DR. But seriously, the Norse Gods demanded blood. You simply can't deny that kind of offer, not if you enjoy having a beating heart and 4 limbs.

 

[Tani Coyote]

4 lines is TL; DR? Are you serious?

The average Nazi diplomacy post seems much longer than that... as is the average Nazi battle plan...

 

[Double A]

Go watch Hetalia: Axis Powers.

Shortened to the most important part.

 

[NinjaCow64]

We would like to thank Scandinavia, S.U.D.S, Macedonia and {insert name of Daedwartin's nation} here for attempting to reach some sort of compromise. We would like to rehash our policy of punishing nations that aren't trying to come to peace and encourage them to do so. We are especially dissapointed with the Nazis and we hope that they reconsider peace talks with Germany and S.U.D.S.

Venice proposes this following treaty to All combatants in south France.

Arabia and Macedonia will return all southern French holdings to SUDS. New Gaul will be incorporated into SUDS as the Economic Free Zone of New Gaul, which will be allowed for 20 years to remain a capitalistic economy. Whether this will continue will be determined by SUDS. This comprimse will stop a very controversial intervention viewed as a imperial campian by GED as well has placate any unnessarracy fears of socialist oppression. Venice however can attest that these fears are baseless. We can confirm that they are truly free elections in SUDS. It is most likened to the USSR's poltical sturcture in 1991, which was basically a parliamentary system. their is no dictatorship. they are actually Have more freedom then Venetians, which is impressive considering our freedoms we allow are similar to that of the former US. Arabia and Macedonia will consider the Nazi Germany conflict a regional affair of GED.

GED will in return support the pony consitution...however frightening and absurd Intellengent, Sapiant, Sentient, Human-language speaking multi-colored ponies are...

All will move to stop Scandinavia from achieving its imperialistic goals.

R.U.A.C would like to put their support behind this proposal, except for the vauge Scandinavian section, we still believe we can come to an acceptable compromise with that issue.

 

[Ailedhoo]

Venice proposes this following treaty to All combatants in south France.

Arabia and Macedonia will return all southern French holdings to SUDS. New Gaul will be incorporated into SUDS as the Economic Free Zone of New Gaul, which will be allowed for 20 years to remain a capitalistic economy. Whether this will continue will be determined by SUDS. This comprimse will stop a very controversial intervention viewed as a imperial campian by GED as well has placate any unnessarracy fears of socialist oppression. Venice however can attest that these fears are baseless. We can confirm that they are truly free elections in SUDS. It is most likened to the USSR's poltical sturcture in 1991, which was basically a parliamentary system. their is no dictatorship. they are actually Have more freedom then Venetians, which is impressive considering our freedoms we allow are similar to that of the former US. Arabia and Macedonia will consider the Nazi Germany conflict a regional affair of GED.

GED will in return support the pony consitution...however frightening and absurd Intellengent, Sapiant, Sentient, Human-language speaking multi-colored ponies are...

All will move to stop Scandinavia from achieving its imperialistic goals.

The S.U.D.S agress with policy save for the concern of the "Ecomonic Free Zone of New Gaul." Have we asked the peoples of this "Gaul" that they want to be their own national? We would suggest we uphold a internationally observed referendum in the area once the area returns to the SUDS. We will ask if they want to be their own state or part of France. If the former then the S.U.D.S will have 2 member states so it is to our blessing either way.

We will also consider if it is possible to ask on what style of capitalism that we holded there. Will it be 21st century Scandinavian capitalism? We need to know for our regulators in the ecomony.

 

[NinjaCow64]

The S.U.D.S agress with policy save for the concern of the "Ecomonic Free Zone of New Gaul." Have we asked the peoples of this "Gaul" that they want to be their own national? We would suggest we uphold a internationally observed referendum in the area once the area returns to the SUDS. We will ask if they want to be their own state or part of France. If the former then the S.U.D.S will have 2 member states so it is to our blessing either way.

We will also consider if it is possible to ask on what style of capitalism that we holded there. Will it be 21st century Scandinavian capitalism? We need to know for our regulators in the ecomony.

Fine. They can have a referendum. Will you allow R.U.A.C officials and Macedonian officals to observe the referendum to ensure it is conducted fairly? This will put any concerns that Macedonia may have to rest.

 

[Patriotic_Fool]

We would like to thank Scandinavia, S.U.D.S, Macedonia and {insert name of Daedwartin's nation} here for attempting to reach some sort of compromise. We would like to rehash our policy of punishing nations that aren't trying to come to peace and encourage them to do so. We are especially dissapointed with the Nazis and we hope that they reconsider peace talks with Germany and S.U.D.S.



R.U.A.C would like to put their support behind this proposal, except for the vauge Scandinavian section, we still believe we can come to an acceptable compromise with that issue.

*Steam coming out of ears*

This is really, really stupid. The Nazis have made MANY ATTEMPTS AT PEACE. MANY. MANY MANY MANY MANY!

Let me list them here for you, because apparently the short term memory of other nations in IOT: X is about a half a minute.

#1

#2 (And here's me agreeing)

#3

#4 (This is after we repelled the Zulu/SUDS invasion)

#5

#6

I think I've offered the most peace deals out of anyone in the game, and every single one was refused.

Had france accepted the first one where they get 3 provinces to my 2, they wouldn't be in their situation right now. Moreover, there wouldn't have been so much loss of life. Look at the Zulus, they haven't expanded at all in what, 3 turns?

 

[Ailedhoo]

Fine. They can have a referendum. Will you allow R.U.A.C officials and Macedonian officals to observe the referendum to ensure it is conducted fairly? This will put any concerns that Macedonia may have to rest.

We will permit R.U.A.C officals. We are concerned with the Macedonian officals since it was Macedonia who imposed this new state not via method of diplomacy but by the gun. We are unsure if we can trust them but we allow them if you have officals from a third party like Japan come in to oversee their conduct.

 

[christos200]

We refuse. You will have to accept the original peace treaty of RUAC. A referendum will be corrupted by the Socialists and their allies. By the way, numbers do not ensure victory. You still have not defeated the Nazis, and you are 5 against 1.

Alexander I, King of Macedonia, would be happy to meet you in the battlefield.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Alexander I, King of Macedonia, would be happy to meet you in the battlefield.

You know, it's comments like those that make me think that you aren't serious about these peace talks.

Would you accept if the referendum was montiored by both R.U.A.C and your officals? It would stop any possibilty of bias and I'm sure that S.U.D.S would prefer that to the orginal proposal.

@The Nazis: We apologize for any offense that you may have taken over our misguided comments, we have not been paying as much attention to the situation in Europe as we should have. We apologise, extend out the proverbial olive branch and invite you again to a ceasefire and peace talks.

 

[christos200]

No. We offered the SUDS a peace treaty. If they want, they can accept. If not, then war. We want peace, but that does not mean that we shall let the nation of Gaul fall under French control.

My question, RUAC, is: What do you want? Peace or Surrender?

Because if you wnat peace in Europe, we support you. If you wanr Macedonia to surrender, then we shall not accept any of your peace treaties.

 

[NinjaCow64]

No. We offered the SUDS a peace treaty. If they want, they can accept. If not, then war. We want peace, but that does not mean that we shall let the nation of Gaul fall under French control.

My question, RUAC, is: What do you want? Peace or Surrender?

Because if you wnat peace in Europe, we support you. If you wanr Macedonia to surrender, then we shall not accept any of your peace treaties.

Mate, you're talking bull.

Firstly, yes, my proposal might cause Gaul to fall under French control. But they will do it voluntarily, no under force from S.U.D.S or R.U.A.C.

Secondly, how are we asking you to surrender? Letting another nation hold a referendum does NOT equate to forcing you to surrender. If we wanted you to surrender, trust us, you'd know.

So, I repropose the Revised Treaty of Vactican City and hope that both nations will sign it, making the first step to peace in the region.

Revised Treaty of Vactican City

Arabia {if they accept} and Macedonia will return all southern French holdings to SUDS, where a referendum will be held to determine what future South France and Gaul wants in S.U.D.S. New Gaul will also partake in this referendum.

Then all parties will make peace, promise not to attack each other again and go home.