Iran nuke deal

[ParkCungHee]

Many seem to be drastically underestimating the strength of the inspection regime, as it covers the entire nuclear pipeline. And they are heavily limited as to what kinds of nuclear material they may have and its enrichment. That's a victory.

In my eyes, it's a good deal.

People are also vastly overestimating the strength of the sanctions regime, and pretending like Iran doesn't know better.

If anyone thinks every country on earth wants to keep up with sanctions forever, they've got another thing coming.

The U.S. isn't dealing in terms of "Maintain sanctions/Remove Sanctions." It's 'Try to maintain sanctions for a few more years/remove sanctions."

 

[kramerfan86]

Even if you could keep them going how often do sanctions truly stop a determined regime? Look at North Korea, done absolutely nothing to stop their blatantly open nuclear program why would anyone think a highly prideful nationalistic country like Iran would just roll over and give up on nuclear technology? The hawks tried to pretend otherwise to sell it to the people, but the options were clearly an agreement or war.

 

[Berzerker]

NK had China protecting them

 

[Zkribbler]

Sanctions can do nothing against a nation willing to return to the stone age.

 

[El_Machinae]

Sanctions slow economic growth. They don't necessarily halt it

 

[Arwon]

Anything that returns Iran relations closer to that of a normal state is a good thing. This idea that the US has any ability or right to make Iran do what it wants has always been an odd bit of faith in an omnipotence that doesn't exist.

 

[Agent327]

This deal with destabilise and already unstable region. Iran with nukes is not a pleasant thought.

Actually, it won't. The issue isn't nukes, it's nuclear energy. Watched by the IEAE. (And if there are nukes at stake, I'm sure Israel will do some bombing. Meanwhile Mr Netanyahu's statements are for the audience in the theatre, i.e. his voters.)

Sanctions slow economic growth. They don't necessarily halt it

Nor do they necessarily slow economic growth. Most sanctions target specific products/persons.

 

[caketastydelish]

Some of my (Iranian) family is celebrating this saying it's about time, and others are actually unhappy because they thought if the sanctions lasted long enough the regime would finally collapse. Personally I'm not sure if that really would have happened. I frankly doubt Iran would have actually gotten a nuke either way, and even if they got one I wouldn't have cared. Of course the main fact is this sanction was in the name of nukes, not human rights. And since I don't even give a rats ass whether Iran has nukes or not, I'm all for removing the sanctions.

 

[El_Machinae]

Losing sanctions might help grow the middle class. That can lead to regime change

 

[Agent327]

Indeed, sanctions have never lead to 'regime change.'

Some of my (Iranian) family is celebrating this saying it's about time, and others are actually unhappy because they thought if the sanctions lasted long enough the regime would finally collapse. Personally I'm not sure if that really would have happened. I frankly doubt Iran would have actually gotten a nuke either way, and even if they got one I wouldn't have cared. Of course the main fact is this sanction was in the name of nukes, not human rights. And since I don't even give a rats ass whether Iran has nukes or not, I'm all for removing the sanctions.

Again, the IAEA doesn't supervise nukes, it supervises nuclear installations:

https://www.iaea.org/ourwork

So there were no sanctions 'about nukes', but about internationally unsupervised nuclear installations. Iran is not Pakistan, which did gain nuclear capability by stealing nuclear technology. Nobody has been stealing anything here.

 

[classical_hero]

Actually, it won't. The issue isn't nukes, it's nuclear energy. Watched by the IEAE. (And if there are nukes at stake, I'm sure Israel will do some bombing. Meanwhile Mr Netanyahu's statements are for the audience in the theatre, i.e. his voters.)

If that was the issue then there is no need for Iran to even enrich it's uranium, since it could get it from Russia, since according to international nuclear law only the USA and Russia can enrich uranium. The fact that they want to enrich uranium shows they only have a weapons capability

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If that was the issue then there is no need for Iran to even enrich it's uranium, since it could get it from Russia, since according to international nuclear law only the USA and Russia can enrich uranium. The fact that they want to enrich uranium shows they only have a weapons capability

WTH is "international nuclear law"?

 

[JollyRoger]

The only international law that anti-international law types like.

 

[bhavv]

Ahmadenijad has threatened to 'wipe Israel off the world map' though.

 

[JollyRoger]

And many GOP types have the same designs on Iran.

 

[Arwon]

Ahmadenijad has threatened to 'wipe Israel off the world map' though.

Who? Was he involved in the negotiations?

 

[ori]

If that was the issue then there is no need for Iran to even enrich it's uranium, since it could get it from Russia, since according to international nuclear law only the USA and Russia can enrich uranium. The fact that they want to enrich uranium shows they only have a weapons capability

There is no such rule in the nuclear nonproliferation treaty - enrichment for civilian purposes is not disallowed, merely doing so without allowing inspections by the IAEA may violate the treaty and that is supposed to now be assured (which it arguably was not prior to now) - so all is well with regards to the NPT.

 

[Wastl]

Ahmadenijad has threatened to 'wipe Israel off the world map' though.

No he hasn't, that was a mis-translation of his speech. He wanted the current Israeli-government to be gone. He's a nutcase, and it's good that he is gone, but ne never spoke about destroying Israel.

Besides, he hasn't been in power for years, so his opinion is entirely irrelevant. Even more so because the president of Iran doesn't even havepower some people think he has.

 

[MilesGregarius]

Shh! Don't let facts get in the way of our paranoid, war-mongering fantasies!!!

 

[Formaldehyde]

Why is that most everybody who claims that Iran wants to destroy Israel seems to completely ignore what Israel clearly thinks should happen to Iran? Which one is actually assassinating civilians in their own country out of fear and paranoia they might one day have the weapons Israel already has?