Iran, the Red Sea, and the West (tm).
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Klaus Hergersheimer
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Well it's like Putin's Russia v. Ukraine; or even Hussein's Iraq v. Kuwait: what does it even mean? That the chief instigator of the violence (and I do mean, the violence which began on Oct. 7 2023) is still left standing is probably seen as a victory in his book. Such personalities tend to totalize the entire conflict around their own ambitions, where their own personal survival is also the survival of their ultimate goals.
Israel and Iran are still left standing, so in the broadest sense imaginable, to me it's an inconclusive fight. And my guess is it will be an ongoing fight between Israel's [and maybe the US's but I don't know for sure] ability to blow up the uranium sites, versus, Iran's ability to keep rebuilding them in lieu of both protecting their population and quashing any discontent among them. Iran I imagine is running its own calculus too: if they can create the perception that their uranium program is not finished without enemy ground activity able to verify it, they can keep the West guessing and guessing, creating discontent among their own people about this whole thing being a waste of time. But of course, all this is still determined by the Ayatollah's ability to live another 10+ years.
My own view is that this hunting expedition from the air is an inevitable statis without ground-based attacks. I've seen it over and over again in Mideast affairs: lob missiles, call it a night. And as a Westerner, we instead ought to be doing everything imaginable to promote the opposition to the Iranian government. If a Kurd group wants to separate, help them separate, if someone wants to flee help them escape, anything to isolate the power structure in the capital.
Anyway just a bit of dictator psychology analysis...
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Klaus Hergersheimer
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was I barking up the wrong tree with that one? oops.
saamohod
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On 12 June 2025, dozens of anonymous y Twitter accounts advocating Scottish independence abruptly went silent. Many had posted hundreds of times per week, often using pro-independence slogans, anti-UK messaging, and identity cues like “NHS nurse” or “Glaswegian socialist.”
Their sudden disappearance coincided with a major Israeli airstrike campaign against Iranian military and cyber infrastructure. Within days, Iran had suffered severe power outages, fuel shortages, and an internet blackout affecting 95 percent of national connectivity.
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Their sudden disappearance coincided with a major Israeli airstrike campaign against Iranian military and cyber infrastructure. Within days, Iran had suffered severe power outages, fuel shortages, and an internet blackout affecting 95 percent of national connectivity.
Dozens of pro-Indy accounts go dark after Israeli strikes
The sudden silence of dozens of pro-independence X accounts on 12 June 2025 coincided with Israeli air and cyber strikes targeting Iranian military and communications infrastructure.
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Thorgalaeg
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It is a well known fact that sececionist movements, ultranationalists, anti-EU and extreme right/left parties are supported (not only by Twitter but financially) by the likes of Iran, China and Russia. The goal is to destabilize, divide, provoke political turmoil and ultimately weaken Europe. Of course there are a lot of useful fools in Europe happy to play the game, we have some nice examples in this forum. IMO they all should move to Iran to at least get some internal consistency.
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600 US gallons drop tank used on F-15s . Found on the Caspian coast of Iran . Reportedly dropped to avoid SAMs . People are getting vocal about there is no proof that Israeli jets actually flew over Iran . With increasing numbers of big drone wreckages being recovered from the rural areas . This will be very negative for some vibe hence the thing about evil people supporting European weak minded people .
Thorgalaeg
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I didnt say evil, i did say fools. And If anything, the tank thing proves Israeli fighters flew over Iran (not that any kind of further proof is needed anyway). Reportedly, in very long range missions like the ones performed by the IAF over Iran empty fuel tanks are dropped in the returning leg to increase range, that is much more common than the SAM thing vocal people´reported´. And yes, frustrated people always get vocal.
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On 12 June 2025, dozens of anonymous y Twitter accounts advocating Scottish independence abruptly went silent. Many had posted hundreds of times per week, often using pro-independence slogans, anti-UK messaging, and identity cues like “NHS nurse” or “Glaswegian socialist.”
Their sudden disappearance coincided with a major Israeli airstrike campaign against Iranian military and cyber infrastructure. Within days, Iran had suffered severe power outages, fuel shortages, and an internet blackout affecting 95 percent of national connectivity.
Dozens of pro-Indy accounts go dark after Israeli strikes
The sudden silence of dozens of pro-independence X accounts on 12 June 2025 coincided with Israeli air and cyber strikes targeting Iranian military and communications infrastructure.
Ah. Yes. A publication noone has ever heard of, by people noone has ever heard of, claiming to be impartial and of no political affiliation and having no clear business model.
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p-51s went to war with max fuel , dropped their tanks before engaging . They dropped so many that cardboard tanks were developed so that Germans couldn't recycle Allied drop tanks into Luftwaffe fighters . ı would drop tanks even before getting in a strafing run .
but the drop tank is no proof that an Israeli F-15 took off from Israel , overflew Syria and Iraq , penetrated Western Iran , reached Caspian (and that would be a valid thing , decreasing exposure) and returned the same way . It equally makes sense to take off from Azerbeycan and lob missiles to Tahran . The drop tank was found at 100 kilometers or miles north of the Iranian capital .
screenshot 3 or 4 times , here is what you are arguing about .
natanz doubtful if destroyed , 80 TEL trucks doubtful if hit ? The impression of controlling the sky over Tahran ; that's what the Airforce Commander of Israel wants . Anyone who says no Israeli jets is an enemy , hence the same anyone becomes enemy in online stuff .
but the drop tank is no proof that an Israeli F-15 took off from Israel , overflew Syria and Iraq , penetrated Western Iran , reached Caspian (and that would be a valid thing , decreasing exposure) and returned the same way . It equally makes sense to take off from Azerbeycan and lob missiles to Tahran . The drop tank was found at 100 kilometers or miles north of the Iranian capital .
screenshot 3 or 4 times , here is what you are arguing about .
natanz doubtful if destroyed , 80 TEL trucks doubtful if hit ? The impression of controlling the sky over Tahran ; that's what the Airforce Commander of Israel wants . Anyone who says no Israeli jets is an enemy , hence the same anyone becomes enemy in online stuff .
Thorgalaeg
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I would say he is an enemy of reality. 
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a whole country is fighting on with the hope that there will be an intervention , someday . That will be strongly rejected and so on . There is the chance that they might ask for a ceasefire on disadvantageous terms if it was down to trickling of supplies just enough to keep them fighting and bleeding in return . That will be strongly rejected and so on . An intervention depends on mighty unstoppable invincible airpower . Pickaxe Mountain just by the Natanz facility is the new likely location and B-2s can not officially touch it . Nobody should doubt and question Western airpower . Certainly not the yehova chosen Israeli airpower . That is the reality .
Ordnael
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Me thinks the propaganda troop should focus on far reaching platforms. Your handlers are dispersing valuable time/bandwidth resources here on CFC.
We either don't care, can't do anything about it, are too small, are too nerd about other stuff (like, you know the titular game that gives this place it's name) reality as desensitised us about stuff that escapes our control (hence the civ nerds centre), etcetera.
Anyways go plague Roblox or something the kids are into nowadays, I am sure if you try hard you can still groom them to the propaganda you parrot, just remember their reflexes haven't reached their prime whilst yours are on their decline so winning against them might be hard. I wish you well.
We either don't care, can't do anything about it, are too small, are too nerd about other stuff (like, you know the titular game that gives this place it's name) reality as desensitised us about stuff that escapes our control (hence the civ nerds centre), etcetera.
Anyways go plague Roblox or something the kids are into nowadays, I am sure if you try hard you can still groom them to the propaganda you parrot, just remember their reflexes haven't reached their prime whilst yours are on their decline so winning against them might be hard. I wish you well.
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the value of CFC can be gauged by the effort the non-Russian , non-Iranian propaganda outlets spend here
basically without basic information on whom they are supposed to impress or more pertinently influence in certain places
if you go back a few pages here or in some other thread you will encounter the notion of foreigners with broken Turkish talking about good health and whatnot of Lord Vader . This was about the time they discovered they were hitting a lot decoy launchers and this thing has been a priority for Western air arms to develop and field since 1991 when certain non-USAF outlets have doubted the so great , so impressive USAF kill claims against SCUD launchers . It is in view of this , people in the big city nearby have made an 180 within two hours . First ı was a supporter of Israel . When high school kids with basic English claimed the post didn't look like that way , it turns out it has been me who fought Israel to a standstill . Makes me a target for Iranians , too , after the Mr. A affair when city was talking about 8 or more people were flown in from France for some reason but not me
try braking on the idea that you must be righteous , others are trolls , and boomer is a phrase that would work on r16 . People might start to get ideas about you instead
am quite happy with what ı have .
basically without basic information on whom they are supposed to impress or more pertinently influence in certain places
if you go back a few pages here or in some other thread you will encounter the notion of foreigners with broken Turkish talking about good health and whatnot of Lord Vader . This was about the time they discovered they were hitting a lot decoy launchers and this thing has been a priority for Western air arms to develop and field since 1991 when certain non-USAF outlets have doubted the so great , so impressive USAF kill claims against SCUD launchers . It is in view of this , people in the big city nearby have made an 180 within two hours . First ı was a supporter of Israel . When high school kids with basic English claimed the post didn't look like that way , it turns out it has been me who fought Israel to a standstill . Makes me a target for Iranians , too , after the Mr. A affair when city was talking about 8 or more people were flown in from France for some reason but not me
try braking on the idea that you must be righteous , others are trolls , and boomer is a phrase that would work on r16 . People might start to get ideas about you instead
am quite happy with what ı have .
Iran could resume uranium enrichment within months says IAEA chief
Iran may be able to restart uranium enrichment in a matter of months despite a wave of attacks by the United States and Israel that targeted its nuclear infrastructure, according to the head of the United Nations nuclear watchdog, Rafael Grossi.
He raised concerns over Iran’s stockpile of 60 percent enriched uranium, just below weapons grade, which could theoretically produce more than nine nuclear bombs if refined further.
Iran may be able to restart uranium enrichment in a matter of months despite a wave of attacks by the United States and Israel that targeted its nuclear infrastructure, according to the head of the United Nations nuclear watchdog, Rafael Grossi.
He raised concerns over Iran’s stockpile of 60 percent enriched uranium, just below weapons grade, which could theoretically produce more than nine nuclear bombs if refined further.
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Would they want to?
The regime is pretty stable. Ground invasion is necessary to topple it, and the leader of the only power capable of performing it successfully just basically told you he's content to call it a day, here, with your capabilities degraded. Restore them, that might change.
As it is now, they can disappear some civil rights activists, benefit from a double standard of reduced expectations, and carry on their merry way.
It's pretty rational to abandon the pursuit temporarily. That doesn't mean they will. Zealots gonna zealot.
The regime is pretty stable. Ground invasion is necessary to topple it, and the leader of the only power capable of performing it successfully just basically told you he's content to call it a day, here, with your capabilities degraded. Restore them, that might change.
As it is now, they can disappear some civil rights activists, benefit from a double standard of reduced expectations, and carry on their merry way.
It's pretty rational to abandon the pursuit temporarily. That doesn't mean they will. Zealots gonna zealot.
Thorgalaeg
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It was obvious iran enrichment capacity wouldn't be stopped for long, you are not attacking a big expensive dfficult to replace thing like a nuclear reactor you can destroy for good. As I said centrifuges can be bought or built and installed elsewhere. Destroying the enriched uranium is the key but it is very difficult since it can be moved easily. It is not even voluminous since uranium is densier than lead.
So that Trump did was basically a show. Israel didn't do a show though. It really obliterated Iran military and regime leadership. So if Iran insists in such declarations I would expect Israel to continue bombings, how USA will follow is the question. Would be a real problem for Trump, who is a such well known friend of the enemies of US's friends.
So that Trump did was basically a show. Israel didn't do a show though. It really obliterated Iran military and regime leadership. So if Iran insists in such declarations I would expect Israel to continue bombings, how USA will follow is the question. Would be a real problem for Trump, who is a such well known friend of the enemies of US's friends.
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Iran's pets are at it again, such nice folk!
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Red Sea attacks are back. The Houthis are again sinking ships and killing crews.
Red Sea attacks are back. The Houthis are again sinking ships and killing crews.
The Houthis launched back-to-back attacks on commercial ships in the Red Sea over the past two days after months of relative calm.
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- The Houthis launched back-to-back attacks on commercial ships in the Red Sea over the past few days.
- One attack caused a ship to sink, while the other killed and injured several crew members.
- The incidents follow a period of relative calm and risk drawing in US forces again.
The Iran-backed Houthis have restarted their Red Sea attacks after months of relative calm, with two fresh assaults that sank a commercial vessel and killed several crew members on another ship.
Operation Aspides, the European Union's defensive counter-Houthi mission, blamed the rebels for an attack on Monday against the Eternity C, a Liberian-flagged, Greek-owned cargo vessel. It marks a major escalation that could reignite the Red Sea conflict.
An Aspides official told Business Insider that four speedboats carrying armed personnel approached the vessel and fired on it with rocket-propelled grenades. They said the Houthis also used uncrewed aerial vehicles, or drones, against the Eternity.
The attack killed three crew members and injured at least two others, and left the Eternity adrift in the Red Sea, the official said Tuesday. It marked the Houthis' first deadly assault on shipping this year. Several civilians were killed in 2024 attacks.
The Houthis have not yet claimed responsibility for the attack, but the US Embassy in Yemen, which operates out of Saudi Arabia due to security concerns, called it the rebels' "most violent attack to date" and said they are "once again showing blatant disregard for human life."
The Magic Seas is one of two vessels that the Houthis attacked over the past few days. Nektarios Papadakis/via REUTERS
Publicly available tracking data showed the Greek-owned Eternity C off the coast of Yemen as of Monday.
The attack on the Eternity C came a day after a separate attack on the Magic Seas, another Liberian-flagged, Greek-owned cargo vessel.
The British military's United Kingdom Maritime Trade Operations, the UKMTO, reported an attack against a vessel on Sunday by small boats that opened fire with small arms and RPGs. A Houthi spokesperson later said the rebels used missiles and drones in their assault on the Magic Seas, scored a direct hit, and sank it.
The European Union said the attack "endangered the lives of the crew, who had to be evacuated, and risked a major ecological disaster in the region, as the vessel is currently drifting and at risk of sinking."
"It is the first such attack against a commercial vessel in 2025," the EU said in a statement on the situation, calling it "a serious escalation endangering maritime security in a vital waterway for the region and the world."
The Magic Seas after it was sunk by the Houthis. Screengrab/Houthi Media Center via X
On Tuesday, the Houthis published footage showing them appearing to detonate explosives onboard the abandoned Magic Seas, which took on water and slipped under the water. It's the third ship that the rebels have sunk.
The dual attacks using small boats and small arms reflect notably different tactics for the Houthis compared to their traditional operations. Between October 2023 and December 2024, the rebels routinely used drones and missiles to attack civilian and military ships in the Red Sea and the adjacent Gulf of Aden.
The US and NATO deployed warships to the region to defend the vital maritime routes from the Houthi attacks, which the rebels have stated are in response to Israel's ongoing war against Hamas. Aspides said the Eternity did not request any escort or protection ahead of the ill-fated Red Sea transit.
The Houthis were relatively quiet during the first half of the year. In March, the US military began a weekslong bombing campaign against the Iran-backed rebels in Yemen, and American forces struck over 1,000 targets in a matter of weeks. The Trump administration reached a ceasefire with the Houthis in May, bringing an end to what was called Operation Rough Rider.
However, the agreement only prevented the Houthis from attacking US ships. The rebels have continued to fire long-range drones and missiles at Israel in recent weeks. Israel's military retaliated on Sunday with airstrikes against Houthi infrastructure across Yemen.
The Houthis' ability to continue attacks against Israel and the latest Red Sea operations suggest that the group still retains some military capabilities, despite the intense US bombing campaign. Renewed tensions could risk drawing US naval forces — which have expended hundreds of missiles and bombs fighting the rebels — back into the conflict.
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rightly or wrongly the Husi attacks on Israel are about Gazze and the relevant thread in CFC has daily reports of Israeli Army killing women and children in some precise manner . One can not even say who fired first in this case , but , yeah the hope would be America drawn back first in Yemen , then enlarging it to Iran . Like we hear Europeans are mighty powerful , like how about Europe doing the war ? Now that stopping Gazze is like tough or something ?
also in the news . The locals are apparently fixatedly laughing on some "ten minute war" . Pretty sure New Turkey would do it in two minutes , if it wasn't developed as the West's foremost proxy in the destruction of the Middle East to be awarded with being genocided a day or two later .
also in the news . The locals are apparently fixatedly laughing on some "ten minute war" . Pretty sure New Turkey would do it in two minutes , if it wasn't developed as the West's foremost proxy in the destruction of the Middle East to be awarded with being genocided a day or two later .
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