Ireland comes on in leaps and bounds

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From irishtimes.com

A Bill which will give people in long-term relationships many of the statutory rights of married couples has been published.

The legislation will allow same-sex couples to register their civil partnership for the first time and will also recognise a number of other rights and obligations previously denied to them. Unmarried opposite-sex couples will be allowed to register, as will those in non-sexual relations, such as siblings who live together, or cohabiting companions.

Under the Bill, once a civil partnership is registered, the couple will be dealt with in the same way as a married couple by the Revenue Commissioners.

"The Bill has been carefully framed to balance any potential conflict between these two constitutionally guaranteed rights. This balance is achieved by maintaining material distinctions between civil partnership and marriage, in particular between the rights attaching to both, while at the same time reflecting the equality rights protected by the Constitution,” Minister for Justice Dermot Ahern this afternoon.

The new Bill puts in place a legal safety-net for people living in long-term relationships who might be vulnerable financially at the end of a relationship, whether through break-up or through bereavement.

It gives legal recognition to agreements enabling cohabitants to regulate their joint financial and property affairs. A range of rights and duties including maintenance obligations, protection of a shared home, pension rights and succession are all covered under the Bill.

Labour’s Brenan Howlin said the Bill "falls short” in terms of a commitment to equality.

“The advancing of the social agenda has always been a slow and difficult one for our country. Labour is committed to the achievement of true equality and our own Civil Union Bill, which was twice defeated by Fianna Fail, and their partners in Government, goes much further to achieving this important objective than today’s Bill,” Mr Howlin said.

He said it was “ironic” the Greens had criticised Labour’s Bill for not going far enough when it was first introduced in the Dail Eireann and “now that they have arrived in Government they are content to settle for a lot less.”

The Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL) this afternoon praised the Minister for Justice for publishing a bill that it hailed as "broadly progressive".

"This new legal structure offers a solid foundation for the recognition and protection of loving same sex relationships. However, although it is solidly grounded, the Bill remains a halfway house to granting genuine equality to same sex couples through full civil marriage," said ICCL director Mr Mark Kelly.

"Now the onus is on those who, for religious or other reasons, still believe that it is acceptable to discriminate against people on the basis of their sexual orientation to explain why their prejudice should be reflected in law", he added.

Fine Gael also welcomed the bill which it said, reflected its own long-standing social justice agenda. However, the party’s justice spokesman, Charlie Flanagan, said it was disappointing that Minister Ahern has waited until the dying days of the Dáil session to publish a Bill which required careful analysis.

The Green Party said the Bill would be of practical benefit to same-sex couples in Ireland and marked a significant step forward. “Once the Bill goes through the Oireachtas and becomes law, many people in loving

relationships will have the option to have their commitment recognised by the State. It represents real and substantial progress,” said the party’s justice spokesman Ciarán Cuffe.

“We acknowledge that the bill is not marriage equality and will not satisfy everybody but we believe that legislating now for civil partnerships provides the best means of recognising and protecting same-sex relationships," he added.

Not good enough, but considering homosexuality was illegal here until the 90s, we're headed in the right direction, and fast.

Just goes to show, if our country can get itself together this quick, anywhere can. who knows, maybe in 10 years gay marriages will be common across the world
 
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Not good enough, but considering homosexuality was illegal here until the 90s, we're headed in the right direction, and fast.

Just goes to show, if our country can get itself together this quick, anywhere can. who knows, maybe in 10 years gay marriages will be common across the world

Welcome progress indeed. Perhaps the day will come when the power of the Catholic Church over every aspect of Irish life will be well and truly broken. Then the Irish people will be seen to have finally come of age.:goodjob:
 
Welcome progress indeed. Perhaps the day will come when the power of the Catholic Church over every aspect of Irish life will be well and truly broken. Then the Irish people will be seen to have finaly come of age.:goodjob:

It's not far off, TBH. If not for people in their 80s and Poles, half the churches would be empty by now.
 
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Not good enough, but considering homosexuality was illegal here until the 90s, we're headed in the right direction, and fast.

Just goes to show, if our country can get itself together this quick, anywhere can. who knows, maybe in 10 years gay marriages will be common across the world

:eek: The 90s? That late? I wonder when it became legal for the US.

EDIT: It's ironic because weren't there stories of very widespread clergy abuse in Ireland?
 
So people who do not want to be in a committed relationship, since they can get ou any time without being penalised, but want the benefits of a committed relationship. That is very logical.
 
:eek: The 90s? That late? I wonder when it became legal for the US.

Depends on the state. Nationally however, laws against sodomy were ruled unconstitutional in Lawrence v Texas, a SCOTUS case from 2003! We only had 14 states with sodomy laws on the books (The South, Idaho and Utah, and Michigan oddly enough) Of course, fifteen of our states makes several times the population of Ireland.

So yeah, we suck as far as gay rights go.
 
In Russia, homosexuality was taken off the psychological illnesses list in 1993.
 
So people who do not want to be in a committed relationship, since they can get ou any time without being penalised, but want the benefits of a committed relationship. That is very logical.

Because a relationship must always end in marriage? You sound like an aging mum.

Yay for Ireland!!
*Starts tap dancing to The Corrs.
 
So people who do not want to be in a committed relationship, since they can get ou any time without being penalised, but want the benefits of a committed relationship. That is very logical.

I think gay people want to be in a committed relationship but are happy with the civil union legislation because it's a step in the right direction. I don't see how this is illogical.
 
So people who do not want to be in a committed relationship, since they can get ou any time without being penalised, but want the benefits of a committed relationship. That is very logical.

Glad to see you've come to the right conclusion. Obviously, we just need to let these people get married. Welcome to the Gay Marriage crusade Classical Hero. Remember, the best way to protect the sanctity of marriage is to make sure everyone who wants to can get married, to better insure they don't just shack up.
 
Makes a change from the Ireland that cheered the bombers when a soldier jumped on a bomb; finally a bit of progress
 
A while ago, there was an incident when I was out there when a building full of people was bombed and a soldier inside jumped on the bomb. As they took him out, the (catholic) crowds were cheering and singing.
Apart from that being in the UK - do you have any source for the religion of the onlookers?
Specific to Northern Ireland the most vocal anti gay politicians are Unionists such as Iris Robinson
Speaking to the Belfast Telegraph in June (08) Mrs Robinson, who is married to the First Minister of Northern Ireland and is chair of the local Assembly's health committee, said:

"I cannot think of anything more sickening than a child being abused. It is comparable to the act of homosexuality. I think they are all comparable. I feel totally repulsed by both."
 
as will those in non-sexual relations, such as siblings who live together, or cohabiting companions

The bill is going too far here. I shouldn't be able to get the benefits of being married, from a tax prospective, because I have a friend who sleeps on my couch.
 
The bill is going too far here. I shouldn't be able to get the benefits of being married, from a tax prospective, because I have a friend who sleeps on my couch.
It is trying to recognise that people do live in long term / permanent but non sexual relationships.

An example would be a brother and sister that never married and live together. By formally recognising the nature of their relationship one would be able to inherit from the other without having to sell the house to pay inheritance tax.

This isn't something that would automatically happen if you share your house - it would require a commitment and I think formalisation.
 
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