Is being gay morally wrong?

[Old Spice]

It's why the culture exists to the extent it does, even if they want to divorce themselves from it given equal rights.

So how does sleeping with a bunch of different gays cause the culture to spread? The pool that you could potential sleep with is narrow no matter what and limited to the number of people that would be willing to adopt it.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

The way I see it, increased promiscuity among homosexual as opposed to heterosexual men is due not to any difference int hem but in their sexual partners (ie men instead of women). Seems simple to me.

And bear in mind that I consider a lot of heterosexual activities to be morally wrong, as well . . .

 

[Old Spice]

But that doesn't have anything to do with the culture becoming more popular, that is if homosexuality is not a choice...

 

[capslock]

@Capslock: no need to get upset. I know you didn't think that homosexuality and pedophilia are the same thing, or even necessarily connected, but you kind of came across that way in your first post.

Ok, I looked at it from a different perspective and see what you mean. Sorry.

The catholic church has problems with both homosexuality and pedophilia. They have never taken a strong stand against either, and this is causing big problems now. Everyone knows about the much publicized pedophile problems and lack of action on the churche's part, but as I said, homosexuality among priests is also a problem threateining the church.

The lack of action against both of these is shameful on the churches part, and is hurting the church and priesthood.

 

[Sidhe]

So how does sleeping with a bunch of different gays cause the culture to spread? The pool that you could potential sleep with is narrow no matter what and limited to the number of people that would be willing to adopt it.

I explained this, the illegality and the lack of incentive to be monogamous. Not saying this is the soul cause that's just men for you, but it really doesn't make it any less likely to happen,

 

[Old Spice]

Okay so now you are sterotyping men, and gays.... The idea of a romantic and long lasting relationship is what should motivate a monogamous relationship, not tax's breaks and civil formalities.

 

[Gilder]

Nothing wrong at all.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

@Old Spice: But at any rate, marriage is and has always been far more than tax breaks and civil formalities. It is a way to publicly proclaim one's public commitment. that is why, strictly speaking it is possible for homosexuals to marry even in the US - they don't get tax breaks or anything, but they are married in a real sense.

 

[Old Spice]

Thank you for supporting my argument Eran.

 

[Fifty]

Absolutely. In fact, I'd go so far to say that gayness is the most morally wrong possible activity that a human can engage in.

 

[Sidhe]

Okay so now you are sterotyping men, and gays.... The idea of a romantic and long lasting relationship is what should motivate a monogamous relationship, not tax's breaks and civil formalities.

Couldn't hurt, but it is a reason for the culture if not the only one, drive sexuality underground and it will become a secretive and non monogamous situation more readily. Same with paedophilia, although I think this is different from homosexuality as it forgoes consent under the law. Really not wanting to make comparisons here, it's not the same thing, it's universally considered ethically wrong. But to make a point.

Edited: because God told me too

 

[Ansar]

Why do we need another thread like this? Dead. Horse. Whipped. Into. Puree.

IMHO, being homosexual is not wrong. It is the people who see it as wrong because it is not what most people are (homosexual).

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I disagree; it is everything I can do to remind myself that female homosexuality is the moral equivalent of male homosexuality.

 

[Old Spice]

But its not being driven underground its allowed to practice freely. It just happens that many in society have a urge to be non monogamous, there sexual orrenitation has nothing to do with it.

 

[angeleyes]

Is having a moral morally wrong ?

Live and let live.

 

[Old Spice]

No having a moral is unethical.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

There is, again, a difference between thinking something is morally wrong, and trying to prevent it. Do you think adultery is morally wrong? Well, live and let live I say.

 

[Old Spice]

I think they would really like to try and prevent people from thinking things, because if someone thinks something is wrong it might be wrong and secular Europe wouldn't want something to be going on that could be wrong even if its allowable.

 

[Sidhe]

No having a moral is unethical.

No having a moral is fine, ethics only deals with the idea of sifting morals out to apply in a particular society, or to finding what is universally morally wrong in said society, it makes no distinction of wrong exactly, just what a particular society considers wrong; it tries to guide those moral codes that exist into a broad moral context for the medium for which it is intended; it can declare a moral code wrong, but only in terms of a particular ethical consensus.

Thus in Europe the ethical concern is that discrimination of homosexuality in any form is morally and ethically wrong. However in the US, this is a right of a people and ethically correct to discriminate or at least to be allowed to.

Now if it wants to suggest that one system is more morally correct it can do so, but it cannot say that absolutely it's ethical code is correct, only make judgements on others from its perspective.

 

[Old Spice]

No having a moral is fine, ethics only deals with the idea of sifting morals out to apply in a particular society, or to finding what is universally morally wrong in said society, it makes no distinction of wrong exactly, just what a particular society considers wrong; it tries to guide those moral codes that exist into a broad moral context for the medium for which it is intended; it can declare a moral code wrong, but only in terms of a particular ethical consensus.

Thus in Europe the ethical concern is that discrimination of homosexuality in any form is morally and ethically wrong. However in the US, this is a right of a people and ethically correct to discriminate or at least to be allowed to.

Now if it wants to suggest that one system is more morally correct it can do so, but it cannot say that absolutely it's ethical code is correct exactly, only make judgements on others.

You know I said that in jest...

That makes ethical code relative to the society which makes it the same as majority rule.