Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Arakhor]

Maybe next time you should use a foreign word and explain what it means then.

 

[really]

http://openeurope.org.uk/intelligence/britain-and-the-eu/eu-wargames-the-challenges-facing-uk-negotiators-inside-and-outside-the-eu/
The Open Europe think tank held a simulated negotiation a while ago about this.
I haven't had a chance to watch in detail but it seems interesting.

 

[Borachio]

I was so fascinated I looked it up.

http://www.dict.cc/german-english/Demokratur.html

Google gives it as "democratorship".

I can't argue with that. It is new to me, though.

 

[Arakhor]

Given that the Greek word for 'democracy' is dimokratia (or thereabouts), it's hardly the best "new" word by a very long chalk.

 

[Lohrenswald]

The general problem is that English has not word demokratur.

kratur and krati both come from the same greek word (kratos IIRC)

pretty lame combination word tbh

 

[Takhisis]

No-one ever seems to remember that ΔΗΜΟΣ ‘dēmos’ does not mean ‘the people’. Not with the exact same meaning as our contemporary political scientists apply it.

 

[Agent327]

So basically what you're saying is that the meaning of "people" has changed over the centuries. But not so much as one might think.

 

[classical_hero]

Well, that's essentially my botton line too. Even if you don't believe that the Tories are the nasty party, that Westminster can be trusted not to turn the UK into a corporate dystopia or any number of other issues, it is an incontrovertible fact that we can only help to change the EU by staying in it.

The EU isn't a dystopia?

 

[Kyriakos]

No-one ever seems to remember that ΔΗΜΟΣ ‘dēmos’ does not mean ‘the people’. Not with the exact same meaning as our contemporary political scientists apply it.

It means the citizens of a city. As juxtaposed to any special subgroup of those. Of course the citizens group also can be a subgroup of a population, etc

 

[Arakhor]

The EU isn't a dystopia?

By your standards, probably, yes. Judging by your posts on social issues, I certainly wouldn't want to live in your perfect state.

 

[Takhisis]

It means the citizens of a city. As juxtaposed to any special subgroup of those. Of course the citizens group also can be a subgroup of a population, etc

Exactly! Citizens. I.e. voters.

 

[Agent327]

Citizens, voters, people: it all depends on who is being defined as such. By law.

 

[classical_hero]

By your standards, probably, yes. Judging by your posts on social issues, I certainly wouldn't want to live in your perfect state.

IT's wonderful that Europe is facing a rape crisis, don't you think.

 

[really]

Such a boring campaign so far. Two more months of this...

 

[Kyriakos]

^Has Lord 'Twojags' Prescott taken sides on this issue?

Always a disgusting spectacle to watch

 

[Takhisis]

Well, he is involved in British politics.

 

[Arakhor]

I read an article on psychology the other day which basically said that the more you are invested in something, the less likely you are to ever change your mind, because you automatically include information you agree with into your worldview and thus information you don't agree with becomes even less likely to tally with your views.

 

[Borachio]

Isn't that just the sunk cost fallacy?

Has anyone read this yet?

What's it like? It surely can't be worse than the leaflet the government shoved through my letter box the other day. (costing me £9.3 million, btw.)

 

[Arakhor]

Well, that's a lot of text.

 

[Borachio]

You're joking. 126 pages isn't much.

I'm bravely ploughing my way through the Scrabble dictionary (I can be very competitive) at the moment, and, not only is it a very boring read, it's also 900 pages.

(And when I say "ploughing my way through", I really mean I've read the entries on Z, X and Q, and briefly considered going through the rest.)