Is Britain about to leave the EU?

[Arakhor]

I generally don't like much of what the EU has turned out to be (especially when compared to how it promised and had the possibility to be) but unless the UK enshrines in law -a superior law, or even better, a constitution- a lot of the labour, social and other protections that are EU regulations or have been indirect consequences of EU membership, pulling out means those regulations are no longer in effect and the parliamentary dictatorhip means that they can do whatever they like. It would be, actually, several steps backwards in that respect.

And that is why I consider it a moral obligation to vote to remain in the EU, whatever its problems.

 

[Takhisis]

Yes… the problem is, of course, that the EU has stood by notorious human rights abuses within its territory. E.g. France kicking out gypsies ‘back’ into Eastern Europe and the recent back-and-forths over immigration of war refugees from the Middle East.

But then, of course, outside the UK, the Tories could rule unlimited… at some point the UK has to become a representative democracy, regardless of whether the Windsors remain on the throne or whether there even is a throne at all.

And after seeing Iain Duncan Smith call Drumpf a decent politician, well… just get the {copulation} out, scum.

 

[Arakhor]

And those problems will continue unless the various countries get their acts together and their politicians fix stuff. We certainly can't do anything about it if we decide to leave.

 

[Ironsided]

Please, just leave. Please.

 

[Arakhor]

No thanks.

 

[Takhisis]

Do you really think that whether the United Knigdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland continues to be a member the European Union or not is really the worst or even most pressing problem that the latter faces?

 

[Arakhor]

Do you really think that whether the United Knigdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland continues to be a member the European Union or not is really the worst or even most pressing problem that the latter faces?

I presume you're not talking to me there, because clearly the answer is 'no'.

 

[Takhisis]

No, I was talking to Ironsided.

 

[Ironsided]

No, but as is, UK is more of burden than anything else. I’m hoping Corbyn gets elected – he’s fantastic. A new Palme.

 

[Takhisis]

Hmmmm. The idiots rallying behind Boris Johnson want the UK to leave because the UK contributes more than it gets. You, on the other hand, want the UK to leave because the UK contributes less than it gets. I sense a contradiction.

 

[Ironsided]

That's because, as Hygro so eloquently put it, some people focus more on the logic of their navel gazing than the examined premises.

 

[Takhisis]

I guess you mean premises, but I get your point anyway. Mr. Johnsons is the figurehead of a movement that found its conclusion first and is now trying to find a reasoning by which they can pretend to have arrived at it.

 

[Ironsided]

Well, Mr. Johnson is a dick.

 

[Takhisis]

One who should be told that his birthplace is not in Europe, so, by his own logic, he should go away with all immigrants.

 

[Ironsided]

You are better than me.

 

[Borachio]

Do you really think that whether the United Knigdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland continues to be a member the European Union or not is really the worst or even most pressing problem that the latter faces?

It could be the worst and most pressing problem the EU faces if it happens, though. Its second largest economy? That's a major loss by any stretch of the imagination. (It could be still worse. What do you think would happen if Germany, unimaginably, left the EU?)

The UK leaving could unravel the whole project.

But fear not. It won't be happening.

But I'm curious. What do you think the worst or even most pressing problem that the EU is facing is if not this? Immigration, perhaps?

I don't see immigration as the problem though. But as the solution to an ageing population. Though neither is a pressing problem, imo.

 

[Ryika]

Well, given current trends here in Germany I'd assume that if Britain leaves and doesn't end up as the industrial desert full of fascists that some people preach about that topic will once again gain a lot of traction very quickly.

Which can only be a good thing.

 

[Takhisis]

It could be the worst and most pressing problem the EU faces if it happens, though. Its second largest economy? That's a major loss by any stretch of the imagination. (It could be still worse. What do you think would happen if Germany, unimaginably, left the EU?)

The UK leaving could unravel the whole project.

But fear not. It won't be happening.

But I'm curious. What do you think the worst or even most pressing problem that the EU is facing is if not this? Immigration, perhaps?

I don't see immigration as the problem though. But as the solution to an ageing population. Though neither is a pressing problem, imo.

Really? It's not as if the UK were to suddenly start trading with the Martians and Brits went on holiday to the Moon. They'd still be travelling to the same places and so on.

 

[Borachio]

That's all very true.

In which case what would prevent the EU unravelling, then?

 

[HAND]

It could be the worst and most pressing problem the EU faces if it happens, though. Its second largest economy? That's a major loss by any stretch of the imagination. (It could be still worse. What do you think would happen if Germany, unimaginably, left the EU?)

If Germany left the EU/Eurozone, then that would be a good thing for France and Mediterranean Euro countries as the Euro will devalue and their exports would be in demand more... but harsh economic truths such as this, have a habit of being ignored by the EU/ECB etc.