Is Civilization V the worst game of the series?

[lschnarch]

Correct service is expected, especially when it involved purchase of a product.

Exactly.
We all have made a deal with Firaxis (well, actually with the retailer being on behalf of Firaxis in these regards).
We have paid flawless money, fully convertible, without any need to being patched.
Our money wasn't bugged in the slightest way. It was perfect. And it was given on release day.

And now look at the game.

We've fulfilled our part of the deal. Firaxis, however?

 

[vandyr]

I understand. I've taken several vacations myself, due to the negativity from people who are such rabid fans of the game that they attack anyone who is disappoint, or scream at them to GTFO if they don't like Civ5, and demand that everyone else's posts conform to their own opinions.

Yea I really don't see much of that. I think you're exaggerating a fair bit. Given a glance at the first page of this forum right now, there's a lot more detractors doing what you describe than civ fans. And as far as I can tell, its been that way for quite some time.

 

[Zyxpsilon]

We've fulfilled our part of the deal. Firaxis, however?

At this moment in time (as of February 18th 2011 at 10:58AM local EST, that is), i agree with not only your attitude but the facts clearly spelled out in such a short but obvious sentence.

 

[Hormagaunt]

Heck if they wanted to make a game targeted for newcomers they could have just gone with CIV REV2. I sware if CIV5 was instead marketed as CIVREV2 there wouldn´t be half the complains there have been about it.

I believe you're correct with this statement. A primary reason would be that I (and I suspect many other "old time" players) wouldn't have bought it in the first place. Those that did would have been expecting what we've run into and would have accepted it in that light.

 

[elthrasher]

Yes but having a great multiplayer alone isn't enough to save a great game because Cvilization as a whole was a game created with Single Player in mind not multiplayer. I think if I am not mistaken the first game in the serie with multiplayer was one of the expansions for CIV III.

Well, different elements are important to different players. For me, when it comes to the longer PC game, I want a good, challenging and fun single-player experience. When it comes to the shorter console game, I want good multi and don't really care about single at all.

At present Civ 5 delivers for me in some ways but fails in others. I prefer it to 4 mainly because I feel like 4 is completely solved while 5 is still evolving. That doesn't make 5 better than 4 by any stretch of the imagination, but does make it more engaging to play at the moment. I think BTS is probably a better game than 5, but 5 may ultimately wind up superior.

CivRev delivers 100% for me still. If I have a spare hour, I can hop on and get into a good multi game any time day or night. No waiting around. The game is almost guaranteed to wrap up in that hour. It's not uncommon to be able to get two in. It's perfect for someone like me who doesn't have quite as much time for gaming as I'd like. People who like the iphone version (which I don't have) say much the same. They can whip it out when they have a spare 15 minutes and work on a game (single only). Then come back to it later.

 

[JesusOnEez]

If it wasn't for the complaining threads/and posts, this forum would be pretty quiet, and might actually give a better visual cue of how unpopular Civ V is in general.

I remember Civ IV coming out, I played it from the off and loved it. I remember it wasn't perfect, it had its problems (most technical...I don't care what anybody says, the core features were pretty solid) but really, was there this level of complaints after six months of the game being out?

I think not.

Oh, to respond to the OP, no it's not the worst. I never really liked Civ III, never tried 1 and II, so I can only say that I rate it on a par, or perhaps just above III. V has a tendancy of drawing me in to start a game, but I've yet to finish one through boredom although the patch does sound promising to me and I'm looking forward to giving it another go...hopefully it'll grab me for long enough to finish a game. Given the changes stated, and given the fact that I'm an admitted production whore in Civ IV, it looks promising to me, and I still, REALLY want to like this stupid sodding game.

 

[Hormagaunt]

Did you play Civ IV when it came out? It was a great step forward from Civ III and introduced several new concepts (Great People, Specialists, Civics, etc.), but had countless bugs and balance issues (everybody and his brother played the Inca, the Quechua rush and the Ind/Fin made them unstoppable) and extremely dumb AI.

I know a lot of people say it was buggy, but I didn't find it so (except for the mis-labeled disks. I rarely played the Inca, but I will admit that India was a favourite. I never even patched the game until I loaded Warlords.

It took them a long time to get Civ IV to where it is today with the patches and BTS.

Yes, and that point, Civ4 + BTS, is where Civ5 should have started. No, I am not saying "Civ4+", I am saying that they should have started with all of the complexities of Civ4 + BTS and added stuff from there. Sure, put in new things, sure, remove some things (like SoD), but not hack out the heart of the game and "streamline" it.

Civ V is better graphically than the rest...

I disagree. Sure, it's more graphics-intensive and yes, it can bring a graphics board to it's knees (or melt it down), but it's not better. I like watching trees grow in Civ4. I like watching the waves roll in along the beach. I like watching the rivers flow. I especially like being able to see which areas around my cities are being used; if I see only 1 of 4 mines spouting flame, then I know that it's time to check what's being done in that city. All of that is gone in Civ5.

In Civ IV settling a city near rough terrain favored your attacker because he would use the terrain bonuses to march his stack right up to your door and then hammer your city. If you tried to meet him in the field he'd just step right around you and continue on to the city.

Never had a problem with that. One of my priorities was always to build a road network around my cities. In rough terrain, I can use 'em and the attacker can't. I've got the mobility advantage, always.

With this new patch addressing build times, research times, resources and city placement there are lots of reasons to be excited.

The absolutely, definitively, redundantly most execrable statement about Civ5: it has potential. I couldn't care less what "potential" it has. Upcoming some-day-in-the-future improvements do not impress me. I am impressed only with what it does now, not some day real soon now.

 

[SuperJay]

I think you're exaggerating a fair bit.

If I am, so are you. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Listen, the grim truth is that this release did disappoint a portion of the fanbase on CFC. You can't whitewash that fact out of existence just because you yourself are not disappointed. This site's purpose is to discuss Civilization games. Negative opinions are accepted here, as long as they don't violate the forum rules.

Again, if you want a forum where only positive opinions are accepted and disappointed fans aren't allowed to post, you could create one yourself. There are plenty of free sites out there that make it very easy to do so. Good luck!

 

[Smote]

The change to 1upt is so significant that the wheel must indeed be re-invented.

 

[SuperJay]

And the purpose of this forum would then be to bash Civ 5?

No, no! Not at all! This CFC forum would continue accepted to all Civilization fans regardless of their perspectives on a certain iteration of the series or perspectives on specific features.

Creating a new, "Civ 5 Fans ONLY" website would just help those Civ 5 fans who don't want to encounter players whose opinions differ from their own. They'd be happier there, and it'd really help reduce the amount of contention here on CFC. It's a win-win for everyone. (I'm not suggesting they SHOULD leave CFC - I don't personally mind either way - it just seems like they'd be happier in a closed forum that only admitted other Civ 5 fans.)

Nah we need people of both camps as long as everyone can get along. It is perfectly fine to have different feelings about life, love and even games. Just as long as we respect eachother I am sure we can be on the same forum.

I absolutely agree with you about this.

 

[vandyr]

If I am, so are you. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Not really. Take a quick trip through the first page.

And I don't want to see only positive opinions, criticism is obviously a good thing. But there comes a point where being negative just to be negative goes beyond anything remotely constructive. When you post the same negativity for months one has to assume you're just here to rant and nothing more. (not you, per se, just an example)

 

[Horizons]

It's by far the worst game of the series, that only proves it.

 

[lschnarch]

Not really. Take a quick trip through the first page.

And I don't want to see only positive opinions, criticism is obviously a good thing. But there comes a point where being negative just to be negative goes beyond anything remotely constructive. When you post the same negativity for months one has to assume you're just here to rant and nothing more. (not you, per se, just an example)

Just one question: What about people being happy with Civ5 and having expressed this already?
Do they have the right to express their satisfaction again?

 

[lschnarch]

You really have to check your computer. Memory seems to have some problems as complete words are getting swallowed.

 

[Kyuss]

The worst game of all the franchise without any doubt.
Boring to death. I keep playing CIV4 right now.
I hope CIV6 will fix this absolute lack of excitement.
Sulla has one of the best thoughts about CIV5.

 

[vandyr]

Just one question: What about people being happy with Civ5 and having expressed this already?
Do they have the right to express their satisfaction again?

Whatever you need to say to justify your non stop whinefest that's been going on for six months dude. I'm not the only person here that's taken note of your constant negativity in the face of everything positive posted about the game. Nobody here thinks Civ V is perfect, but a few of you make sure you go out of your way to post your rabid dislike of it in every thread. You in particular.

 

[Mavfin]

Whatever you need to say to justify your non stop whinefest that's been going on for six months dude. I'm not the only person here that's taken note of your constant negativity in the face of everything positive posted about the game. Nobody here thinks Civ V is perfect, but a few of you make sure you go out of your way to post your rabid dislike of it in every thread. You in particular.

Yeah. I'm just wandering into the forum, expecting the old CivFanatics, to find that good old CF has turned into a cesspool much like the WoW forums, where you have to look past a bunch of QQ threads to find anything useful.

So much for finding any decent game discussion. Without going back two pages, most of what I find is QQ. If you hate the game, fine. Go play something you find fun, and quit wasting space whining that the game you swear you're not playing is so bad. If you're not playing it, and haven't been for months, why are you still here? You're entitled to your opinion, but you begin to look like a bitter teenager when you just can't let go.

It's also the way of the internet now, that, people who like the game don't post nearly as much as those who don't. Those who like a game are playing it, not spending hours posting QQ.

(Not directed at the person I quoted. I just hate when good forums turn into this style of QQ pit full of people who swear they hate the game, but for whatever reason, can't let go of it.)

 

[Zyxpsilon]

Creating a new, "Civ 5 Fans ONLY" website would just help those Civ 5 fans who don't want to encounter players whose opinions differ from their own. They'd be happier there, and it'd really help reduce the amount of contention here on CFC. It's a win-win for everyone. (I'm not suggesting they SHOULD leave CFC - I don't personally mind either way - it just seems like they'd be happier in a closed forum that only admitted other Civ 5 fans.)

Mark my words... if such a site would ever come into existence - it would *ALSO* eventually have to suffer through contradictory manners by the usual www_crowds.
It's written in shiny letters all over & underneath the socialistic terminology & consequences of basic conversational skills and completely natural human emotions.

Once an Earthquake starts shaking your house foundations, you simple must wait it out, praying it to just stop or swearing it never happened.
Hell & back.

 

[The_J]

Moderator Action: I have no idea which civ part is the worst, but i definitely now, which thread here is the worst.
There's obviously no discussion value, else the discussion would not be about something else.
-> closed.