Is Isreal overacting?

Is Isreal over reacting?

  • I'm Arabic, I think their action is justified

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  • I'm Isreali, I think they are over-reacting

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It shows people biases
 
And it also shows just how much crap you have to take from the fanatical muslims before you realize they're not going to stop and be nice unless you cut their hands off and make them.
 
happy_Alex said:
It's a very telling statistic, Steph.
Perhaps it reveals perceptions on the acceptability of the use of violence.
For European / American perhaps.

But I doubt 100% of the Israeli favor violence, and I doubt even more 100% of the Arabics are against it!
 
Sh3kel said:
And it also shows just how much crap you have to take from the fanatical muslims before you realize they're not going to stop and be nice unless you cut their hands off and make them.
How does this statistics show it? Aren't you personally over reacting here?
 
Steph said:
How does this statistics show it? Aren't you personally over reacting here?
We've been taking the blunt of the Islamic terror for the Western world since the first major Islamic terrorist wave of the 1970s, the Americans have been the second target of every Shi'ite nutball with an agenda and access to explosives, and only recently has Europe been targeted as part of the global Islamic campaign of terrorism. If I recall correctly, while American targets have been taking bombings since before the 1982 marine barracks bombing of Beirut, the first Islamic terrorist attack took place in 2004 in Madrid, and the second attack took place in 2005 in London...
 
Sh3kel said:
We've been taking the blunt of the Islamic terror for the Western world since the first major Islamic terrorist wave of the 1970s, the Americans have been the second target of every Shi'ite nutball with an agenda and access to explosives, and only recently has Europe been targeted as part of the global Islamic campaign of terrorism. If I recall correctly, while American targets have been taking bombings since before the 1982 marine barracks bombing of Beirut, the first Islamic terrorist attack took place in 2004 in Madrid, and the second attack took place in 2005 in London...
France : 9 august 1982 : 6 dead, 22 wounded
France : 25 july 1995 : 8 dead, 150 wounded in a terrorist attack in the subway
France : 3 december 1996 : 4 dead and 170 wounded in a terrorist attack in the subway
 
there's only so much crap a country can take before they have to do something, i support israel to the fullest... they dont take crap from no one, and they show it.. and they shouldnt take it.. i mean the majority of the arab nations want every israely dead.. what is israel supposed to just sit back and do nothing...?? cmon people.. put yourself in thier shoes!
 
peace loving, ungrateful hippies....

violence is a part of human nature.. and so is self defense.. israel has to do something..
 
We've been taking the blunt of the Islamic terror for the Western world since the first major Islamic terrorist wave of the 1970s,
Hmmm.. You are taking credit for acting as a bulwark against the nasty Islamic bombing against the West? I think much of Islamic terrorist problems with the west is the west continued support of Israel. Lebanon would act to remove Hizbollah, if Syria was out of the equation. I think that Israel taking on Hizbollah is problematic, since they will just move to Syria, like Saddam's WMD hehe.
 
Mott1 said:
There are Muslims who condemn terrorism but can't condemn Jihad. The same Muslims who deny Islam's involvement in 9/11 and say it was the work of the CIA and the Jews and that "Muslims would never do such thing", delight of the carnage and say America had it coming and that the Muslims have been oppressed and now they are rightfully retaliating. I had conversations with Muslims who expressed these diametrically opposing views, i.e. "Muslims won't do such a thing" and "America deserved it" in two consecutive sentences. Which category do they belong to?

Real muslims won`t do such things. America ? Hmmm.... based on curent news that they`re supplying precision guided bomb to Israel to bomb Lebanon and supporting the crime... sadly, they should be realized what have they done to the world.

You have to read it in a historic context (sha'ne nozool), why and in what occasion Muhammad said a certain verse. In this, you refer to tafseer. Tafseer is the interpretation of the Quran. Tafseer means to clarify, to expound. It is derived from "fasara", which means "to explain, or to unveil".

There are many books on tafseer. The reason is that the Quran is an obtuse and at times contradicting book. The historic context of the verses must be explained so its real meaning becomes clear.

Good work on this. However, time also plays the role. If you`ve done enough research, you would know what`s happening when the verses were told. They`re not told without reasons.

Btw, jihad does not only mean war. Jihad against yourself (don`t know the word, sorry), satan and all sort of evils. Jihad can also mean you`re fighting the crime, social problems, poverty ...


Of course, that is a moderate Islamic site with the agenda to propagate Islam as a peaceful religion. Try a search for an Islamic fundamental site or ex-Muslim site. I encourage this so you can research Islam in an honest and objective manner.

An ex-muslim will usually tell bad about Islam. Islam knows about this. Just like traitors will always likely tell bad about their previous believe, country or any other things.

We've been taking the blunt of the Islamic terror for the Western world since the first major Islamic terrorist wave of the 1970s, the Americans have been the second target of every Shi'ite nutball with an agenda and access to explosives, and ...

Well, Israel has killed more people than the Arabs directly or not while refusing some hundred thousands to get back to their land... and that with "moral high ground"! :eek: Why don`t you all perform all the root cause analyses we know on this problem. Islam is the answer ? That`s bigot. :sad:

Now, please tell me; why never you want to give back the stolen land ? You occupy their land, they resist and what...? You call them terrorists! Is that fair ? Yeah... fair because they intend to kill Israelis civillians. While never condoning crime, their attack seems valid. I see just like France in WWII.

What about IDF killed loads of people ? No, they never intent to kill civillians. No one knows if they`re lying. Afterall, truth is always the first victim of a war!

... and so is self defense.. israel has to do something..

Self-defense ? That`s disproportionate agression! What about diplomatic ?
 
terrorism is unacceptable.. plain and simple.. they can do something.. but how often do you hear of an american.. on a bus and then blow himself up.. im not seeing the point your trying to make
 
Self-defense ? That`s disproportionate agression! What about diplomatic ?

diplomatic?? i highly doubt any arab nation would go to diplomatic terms with israel.. they want them all dead
 
FeelGood said:
Well, Israel has killed more people than the Arabs directly or not while refusing some hundred thousands to get back to their land... and that with "moral high ground"! :eek: Why don`t you all perform all the root cause analyses we know on this problem. Islam is the answer ? That`s bigot. :sad:

Now, please tell me; why never you want to give back the stolen land ? You occupy their land, they resist and what...? You call them terrorists! Is that fair ? Yeah... fair because they intend to kill Israelis civillians. While never condoning crime, their attack seems valid. I see just like France in WWII.

What about IDF killed loads of people ? No, they never intent to kill civillians. No one knows if they`re lying. Afterall, truth is always the first victim of a war!
ASHAF, what will eventually become the PNA, clearly states the erradication of Israel as part of its agenda in 1964, three years before the supposed occupation of Palestine. Yassir Arafat himself participated in a raid against Israeli installations in the 1950s, and for the three bombings named in Europe in the past 30 years, I could probably bring a list 30 pages long of agression from Islamic terrorists from every country in the globe with Islam as its official religion - including two British muslim suicide bomber who blew up at a Tel-Aviv bar not three years ago.

Heaven forbid the real problem actually is Islam, and the bloody Israeli isn't a racist but a realist, no?
 
well i stated that earlier in this thread.. its true israel did steal the palestinians land.. and the palestinians are trying to get thier home back.. but where the hell does hezbollah come into this..? that has nothing to do with palestine... even though i do not support the palestinian terrorist attacks.. i understand why they do it.. cause go back 60 years ago the jews were the terrorists and it was palestine at the brunt of the attacks
 
Lord Cooper said:
there's only so much crap a country can take before they have to do something, i support israel to the fullest... they dont take crap from no one, and they show it.. and they shouldnt take it.. i mean the majority of the arab nations want every israely dead.. what is israel supposed to just sit back and do nothing...?? cmon people.. put yourself in thier shoes!
Most people agree that Isreal has the right to strike back, but a lot don't agree with the force and indiscrimination (hezbollah does not equal the whole of lebanon) with which they are striking back.
 
Sh3kel said:
Heaven forbid the real problem actually is Islam, and the bloody Israeli isn't a racist but a realist, no?
The problem isn't Islam itself but the fanatical belief in a religion in general, it just happens that at this time in history Islam is the most fanatically supported religion.
 
the mormegil said:
Most people agree that Isreal has the right to strike back, but a lot don't agree with the force and indiscrimination (hezbollah does not equal the whole of lebanon) with which they are striking back.

QFT

And by the way, Israel is only creating more terrorism by striking Lebanon in such an unreasonable and disproportionate way.
 
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