Is this the end of liberalism?

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Granted, there have been times when they have shown less than proper journalistic restraint. But this clearly isn't one of them. The article was quite well done and summarized what this matter is about quite eloquently.
 
If you believe in traditional liberalism, in the JS Mills vein, it is alive and well and living in talk radio. Not so much in politics, even in the Republican party. Democrats chose the central government approach decades ago.

J
 
Oh, they always double down and they will, but my prediction is that they implode and start fighting themselves (it's already happening). There will be more calls to ban freedom of expression and free speech.

What they have created is an unsustainable neurotic population. This is looney toons.
Well actually, Democrats of all persuasions constantly squabble over stuff. It showed up big time on college campuses in the 1960s. But when it comes around to election time, we all tend to get back together to pull in the same direction. What you see as new and different is just the same old same old I've been seeing for 50 years. Racism is high on everyone's mind now so it is getting lots of coverage across lots of platforms. The Yale faculty and staff will make changes in response to the protests and things will improve.
 
I think of it instead as the rebirth of Liberalism. True Liberalism as it used to be understood demands free speech, it demands personal freedom, it demands debate and conversation even when the topics are difficult or uncomfortable. The exact opposite of what young modern progressives stand for with their limiting of speech, their safe-space culture, and their "everything is an offensive microaggression" mentality.

It feels like some weird false, uneducated liberalism. Half of them don't even know what they stand for. You see WHOLE lot of that from people on the right too, but I suppose I would have expected more from college students.

It always bugged me the way Arabic majors at my college would heap on to christian conservatives at a moments notice, but then act as if it was racism to say anything they just said about christian conservatives but apply them to Muslim conservatives. You can love the middle east while equally being critical of the problems in the region. I was a Chinese major, but I didn't start pretending that everyone that criticized Mao was a racist. It's just immature, you have to acknowledge the bad with the good, and if you can't get out of black and white thing, well then I don't know why you'd even bother going to college in the first place.
 
I think of it instead as the rebirth of Liberalism. True Liberalism as it used to be understood demands free speech, it demands personal freedom, it demands debate and conversation even when the topics are difficult or uncomfortable. The exact opposite of what young modern progressives stand for with their limiting of speech, their safe-space culture, and their "everything is an offensive microaggression" mentality.
There is a difference between not using Halloween to demean other cultures and ethnic groups during campus activities and freedom of speech. Again, freedom of speech is ironically flourishing in this particular instance at both Yale and even in this thread discussing this very matter.

If you believe in traditional liberalism, in the JS Mills vein, it is alive and well and living in talk radio. Not so much in politics, even in the Republican party. Democrats chose the central government approach decades ago.
So reactionary talk radio is now the bastion of traditional liberalism? And this is because Democrats finally came to their senses and finally rejected actual "states rights"?
 
Since I think this is a thread about liberal student activism in colleges... What exactly happened in Missouri anyway?
 
It feels like some weird false, uneducated liberalism. Half of them don't even know what they stand for. You see WHOLE lot of that from people on the right too, but I suppose I would have expected more from college students.

It always bugged me the way Arabic majors at my college would heap on to christian conservatives at a moments notice, but then act as if it was racism to say anything they just said about christian conservatives but apply them to Muslim conservatives. You can love the middle east while equally being critical of the problems in the region. I was a Chinese major, but I didn't start pretending that everyone that criticized Mao was a racist. It's just immature, you have to acknowledge the bad with the good, and if you can't get out of black and white thing, well then I don't know why you'd even bother going to college in the first place.

That's funny. Most Muslims I know are heavily disappointed in the state of affairs at Saudi Arabia, believing that since it is the guardian of our Holiest site, it should be expected to behave better, and not be a bastion of oppression.

Edit- And I just realized that you're talking of Arab majors and not Muslims in general, which is even more confusing to me.
 
So reactionary talk radio is now the bastion of traditional liberalism? And this is because Democrats finally came to their senses and finally rejected actual "states rights"?

I don't know about reactionary talk radio. I was referring to the Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck brand of anti-central government programming. My information could be dated, but I doubt they have changed much in the last ten years.

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Believe it or not:
SEP 16, 2014 @ 01:01 PM 3,947 VIEWS
Is Europe In Decline? One Professor Thinks So
http://www.forbes.com/sites/shelliekarabell/2014/09/16/is-europe-in-decline-one-professor-thinks-so/
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Webber of INSEAD believes Europe has segued from a “rising power” to a “declining power.”

In his article, “Declining Power Europe? The Evolution of the European Union’s World Power in the Early 21st Century,” to appear in the March 2015 issue of International Affairs, the scholarly journal published by Wiley-Blackwell on behalf of Chatham House, The Royal Institute of International Affairs, Webber defines power as “Consisting in the capacity to cause other (extra-EU) actors to behave in ways that the EU wants and they would not do otherwise.”

He outlines three power resources: two material “hard powers”: military (the threat or use of force) and economic (deploying sanctions or denying market access) – and one normative “soft power”: ideology (persuasion or diplomacy). His analysis shows that the EU’s power is declining because of the decline of its material capabilities – that is, in its inability to marshall military and/or economic might.

Webber divides the EU’s multi-dimensional operations – and thus its power base – into seven areas:

Regulatory politics – enforcing the EU’s single market, with the result that Brussels (where the EU is headquartered) has impolitely become known as the “regulatory capital of the world.” A look at the legal cases facing Google and Amazon over everything from corporate taxation to data privacy are current examples. It was the EU’s anti-trust unit which nixed GE’s ill-fated merger with Honeywell in Jack Welsh’s last days as GE CEO. The EU’s regulatory power is one which has grown by leaps and bounds.
Environmental Politics – The EU is on record as wanting to be a world leader in this issue, particularly in climate change politics. But the disastrous culmination of the Copenhagen Summit in 2009 – in which the EU was not even part of the decisive negotiations – rendered the EU marginalized and defeated
External trade policy – Given its market size, the EU should wield power at meetings of the World Trade Organization – and it did in the 1990s; today the hard evidence is to the contrary. During the Doha Round (which started in 2001 and is virtually moribund though not officially “dead”) agreements fell apart when newly-developing countries such as Brazil, India, China and South Africa became unhappy with the deal they were getting (particularly regarding agricultural protection).
Monetary and fiscal policy – The Euro was launched as an accounting currency in 1999 (the currency itself entered people’s pockets in 2001) with the hopes that it would eventually supersede the US Dollar as the international reserve currency. While the euro currently trades above its introductory rate, Webber points out that in 2012 the USD was still 2.5 times more widely held than the Euro. Moreover, as the financial crisis forced weaker EU members such as Hungary and Romania (and Eurozone members Greece, Portugal, and Ireland) to seek aid from the IMF, Webber points out “there is now unprecedented scope for external organizations to influence Eurozone monetary and fiscal policy.”
Security and defence policy – Though the Yugoslavian cvil war in the 1990’s was literally in Europe’s backyard, it took US military and diplomatic intervention to bring hostilities to a close. But it did galvanize the EU (led by the British and the French) to create a rapid reaction force and a new “European Security and Defence Policy” (ESDP). But defense cuts and conficts among the member states has scaled down the number of troops, abbreviated the number of days per mission, and escalated intramural bickering.
Promotion of democracy and human rights – One of the EU’s stated aims is to promote democracy, human rights, the rule of law and “good governance” within member states and the rest of the world, and Webber alleges its ability to do so is a measurement of its “normative power.” Its influence in influencing the treatment of ethnic minorities by states seeking to join the EU have been relatively successful (i.e., in the Balkans) but its response to Russia’s annexation of the Crimea has been weak and ineffective, as has its response to the Arab Spring.
Promotion of regional cooperation and integration – There were hopes that European integration would proceed as a sort of positive “domino effect,” improving the economic, social and political climate of member states. But, Webber points out, in the wake of the global and Eurozone financial and other crises, the “gravitational pull of the EU has receded. Discussion of the creation of common currencies in other regions of the world has ebbed.
Webber concludes that the EU’s power is greatest in issue-areas: regulatory, trade, environmental policy. It is a “market,” he believes, more than any other kind of power. Though he believes economic power will continue to shift towards the East, Webber told me “This decline in the EU’s global power could be countered if the EU and its member states could increasingly speak with one voice and act cohesively; however the growing resistance to closer political integration and the resulting inability of EU members states to agree on and implement common policy makes this unlikely.”
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Makes sense to me.
 
LMAOROTF

That said, I still ain't happy with strange women walking by as I pee.

please come up with a better counterargument than your own prudishness.

Since I think this is a thread about liberal student activism in colleges... What exactly happened in Missouri anyway?

so a bunch of things have been going on at mizzou: rasism, cutting of grad student aid, general apathy on the part of the administration towards the students. things have been slowly escalating. the grad students unionized to get better conditions, a few organizations popped up to demand the administration to do more about the incidents which have been occurring.

all of this came to a head when the mizzou football team starting striking, with the graces of the football coach and the athletic director. long story short, mizzou president does in fact resign.
 
I think the chancellor of the University did too.
 
thank you for engaging in such enlightening conversion
I think his laugh was due to you telling a 79 year old to "grow up". :lol:


That's funny. Most Muslims I know are heavily disappointed in the state of affairs at Saudi Arabia, believing that since it is the guardian of our Holiest site, it should be expected to behave better, and not be a bastion of oppression.

Edit- And I just realized that you're talking of Arab majors and not Muslims in general, which is even more confusing to me.

They live in Kentucky so they've almost certainly had to deal with a lot of racism against the culture that fascinated them so much which could have made them more defensive. To be fair I encountered people who were just as defensive when it came to China too.The point I was going for is just that those arabic majors, by being so defensive about everything remotely related to Islam, were shutting their brains off from learning anything except what they wanted to learn, and throwing anything they didn't like under the convenient label of "racist". That's the kind of feeling that I imagine when I hear people talking about "Safe spaces" and liberals who seem to advocate for censorship because they need to protect their fragile views of the world.

But yeah, I would think if you loved Arabic culture, the last thing you would want would be a horribly oppressive theocracy ruling over the country.
 
thank you for engaging in such enlightening conversion
Enlightened, :lol:, we're posting about peeing. How enlightened is it whether I feel uncomfortable with women watching.

My gosh, do you think it's some kind of university degree requirement.:lol:
 
Enlightened, :lol:, we're posting about peeing. How enlightened is it whether I feel uncomfortable with women watching.

My gosh, do you think it's some kind of university degree requirement.:lol:

No but it is a discussion forum. We discuss things here. What are you doing here if you don't want to discuss anything?
 
No but it is a discussion forum. We discuss things here. What are you doing here if you don't want to discuss anything?
My gosh, here you are again, Little Miss classroom monitor.

Is the teacher out and your in charge?

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To heck with it, considering what's just happened, am going back to using 'sez' again! LMAO
 
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