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Ahmadinejad suffers in Iran poll

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) -- President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad suffered an embarrassing blow in local council races, according to partial election results Monday, in voting viewed as a sign of public discontent with his hard-line stance.

The balloting represented a partial comeback for opponents of Ahmadinejad, whose Islamic government's policies have fueled fights with the West and brought Iran closer to U.N. sanctions.

Former President Hashemi Rafsanjani, a relative moderate, polled the most votes of any Tehran candidate to win re-election to a key assembly post.

The biggest victory was for "moderate conservatives," supporters of Iran's cleric-led power structure who are angry at Ahmadinejad, saying he has needlessly provoked the West with harsh rhetoric and has failed to fix the country's faltering economy.

The election, held Friday, does not directly affect Ahmadinejad's administration and is not expected to bring immediate policy changes. It selected local councils that handle community matters in cities and towns across Iran.

But it represented the first time the public has weighed in on Ahmadinejad's stormy presidency since he took office in June 2005. The results, if the trend holds, could pressure Ahmadinejad to change at least his tone and focus more on high unemployment and other economic problems. Full official results are expected Tuesday.

Ahmadinejad, who was elected to a four-year term in June 2005, has escalated Iran's nuclear dispute with the United States, pushing ahead with uranium enrichment despite U.N. demands to suspend the process. As a result, Europe has come to support Washington's calls for sanctions to stop a program they fear aims to develop nuclear weapons, a claim Iran denies.

The president also has angered Europe and the U.S. by proclaiming Israel will one day be "wiped out" and hosting a conference casting doubt on the Nazi Holocaust.

"Ahmadinejad's list has suffered a decisive defeat nationwide," said the Islamic Iran Participation Front, the largest reformist party. "It is a big no to the government's authoritarian and inefficient methods."

In some cities such as Shiraz and Bandar Abbas, not one pro-Ahmadinejad candidate won a council seat, according to partial results announced by the Interior Ministry.

In Tehran, candidates supporting Mayor Mohammed Bagher Qalibaf, a moderate conservative, were on track to win seven of 15 council seats. Reformists were set to win four, while Ahmadinejad's allies had three, partial results showed. The last seat was likely to go to an independent.

Similar anti-Ahmadinejad sentiment was visible in a parallel election for members of the Assembly of Experts, a body of 86 senior clerics that monitors Iran's supreme leader and chooses his successor. Several pro-reform clerics were barred from running, but conservative opponents of the president appeared to outperform his supporters.

Along with Rafsanjani, another high-profile winner was Hasan Rowhani, Iran's former top nuclear negotiator, whom Ahmadinejad has accused of making too many concessions to the Europeans.

By contrast, Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah Yazdi -- regarded as the president's hard-line spiritual mentor -- won an assembly seat. An Yazdi ally was defeated by a more moderate conservative cleric in the city of Qom.

Turnout in the local council vote was more than 60 percent -- higher than the 50 percent in the last one, held in 2002.

The "moderate conservative" camp emerged as a strong political force, positioned between pro-Ahmadinejad hard-liners and the reformists. In their campaign, they promised to improve living standards, modernize the economy and promote "competency" in administration.

Qalibaf and his supporters do not back moving closer to the United States and they oppose giving up uranium enrichment, a position shared by almost all camps in Iran, where the nuclear program is a source of national pride.

But they oppose extreme stances that fuel tensions with the outside world and accuse Ahmadinejad of provoking the West. The moderates also tolerate less restrictive social rules on mixing of sexes and women's dress, while many hard-liners want tougher restrictions.

One moderate headed to victory, former Tehran police chief Morteza Talai, was popular among reformers because his forces did not crack down on the few anti-government protests that have occurred at universities during Ahmadinejad's presidency.

Political analyst Mostafa Mirzaeian said Iran's political lineup was moving toward "a coalition between reformers and moderate conservatives, at the expense of hard-line extremists who support Ahmadinejad."

The showing raised hopes for reformers, especially since many of their candidates were barred from running by parliament committees. Among the apparent victors in Tehran was Massoumeh Iftikhar, who served as Iran's first female vice president during the term of pro-reform President Mohammad Khatami..

Khatami was elected in 1997 and reformers gained control of parliament soon after. In recent years, hard-liners regained the legislature by using cleric-run bodies to bar top reformists from running.

Maybe this is the first crack in the wall, maybe not.

Either way, it's reassuring when something like this happens in a supposedly despotic state--and nobody gets shoved in front of a firing squad.

Of course, the part with the firing squad could still happen. Don't touch that dial! :)
 
It's funny how the American and Iranian voters got rid of some hard liners in their respective governments within 2 months of each other.
 
not really funny, not a co incident either.

america invades iraq -> fearful iranians -> hardliners get elected.

but you knew all this.
 
Ahmadinejad suffers in Iran poll



Maybe this is the first crack in the wall, maybe not.

Either way, it's reassuring when something like this happens in a supposedly despotic state--and nobody gets shoved in front of a firing squad.

Of course, the part with the firing squad could still happen. Don't touch that dial! :)


These council members seem little more than a new Imperial Senate -- a rubber stamp -- like that of the Roman Empire.
 
Maybe this is the first crack in the wall, maybe not.
A crack in what wall?

Either way, it's reassuring when something like this happens in a supposedly despotic state--and nobody gets shoved in front of a firing squad.
Why do you believe that its a despotic state? Theyre the most democratic state in the ME, outside of Israel. Does being against the US equate with being despotic?
 
The conservative faction has generally been dominant with Iran's upper level leadership. After the next presidential election there will probably be two factions rather than three.

A drastic reformation of the economy will probably occur before political/social changes. The economic fault line passes through each group and support for economic reform is accepted by certain governmental officials.

These elections also might end claims on some sites that Yazdi will seize control of the government.
 
My Persian friends, (you know, from Iran), make it pretty clear that things will move in the right direction from a pro-western point of view as long as we don't empower the hardliners the nationalist, fear based support they need to thrive.

The youth movement going on there, which can be best described as a bunch of teenagers trying to circumvent and evade despotism and corruption and basically do what they want, is fairly successful. From what I gather, most of them have a pretty favorable view of the United States, so long as we don't threaten them.

But yeah, a lot of the frustration comes economically. Where the only good university/ies (not if its one or a couple) is/are in Tehran, and whereas only the top 10% of the top 5% or something attrocies make it in, and where employment is not ever garaunteed after graduation, and that passed a certain age as a man you don't have freedom to come and go (unless you leave before that age as my friends have, leaving their families behind while in high school) means they don't like the lack of economic opportunity, and thats probably the real driving force for wanting to leave the country, not the poor but functioning governance.
 
Yes, now hopefully America doesn't do something stupid again like say, "they are in the axis of evil.

Because then the leaders will say, "You see, America is our enemy and the people must rally around their government". And there is a good chance they will rally to the extremists the same way they did the first time Bush opened his mouth.
 
Treat em like free enterprise: give em some space. It's one of those nice places that will fix itself. There's enough of an economy and social structure to ensure that. It's a nation-state, too, which helps. (As opposed to a multi-national state like Iraq or Sudan).
 
Precisely. People are so eager to try to "fix" things, that they usually just make them worse. In international affairs, most problems fix themselves with time.
 
It ain't all bad in Iran? What's very bad in Iran?

Iran is the only country in the Middle East I can see becoming an actual democracy in the next ten years. As long as we leave them alone.

Of course they may become a democracy that hates America in which case the rmsharpes and Seleucus Nicators will about face and start pontificating about how the Middle East needs "strongmen" (shades of the Reagan years). But for me the self-determination of these people is more important than America's geopolitical interests.

Heck, they had a democracy once, remember? We're the ones that f'd it.
 
not really funny, not a co incident either.

america invades iraq -> fearful iranians -> hardliners get elected.

but you knew all this.

Considering that Irans government approval was 17% even lower amoungest the youth of Iran (probably 8%). A reflection of US cultural "softpower"
(before axis of evil abd Bungleing of Iraq)
 
Heck, they had a democracy once, remember? We're the ones that f'd it.
I can't believe I had to post this only a month ago.

Myself said:
Mossadegh was about as democratic as Fidel Castro. Mossadegh consolidated his power by demanding emergency powers from the Shah, personally taking full control of the army, and holding a fraudulent referendum (99.9% support?) to dissolve parliament. Mossadegh also associated himself with some seedy elements, including (but not limited to) the Islamist fundamentalist parties and the pro-Soviet Tudeh communist party.

Don't tell me you believe that Iran, with all of thier oil riches and increasingly wealthy citizens, was unable to stop a measly $1M from the United States intelligence services. If Mossadegh's Iran had so many accomplishments, why did Mossadegh fall so easily?

(By the way, Mossadegh was never elected directly, it was always through Iran's parliament.)
 
A crack in what wall?


Why do you believe that its a despotic state? Theyre the most democratic state in the ME, outside of Israel. Does being against the US equate with being despotic?

Lebanon I would say is the most democratic.... period.

Re: Iran

I bet dropping bombs on them will make them even more democratic.

:rolleyes:
 
So Iran is just a wierd misunderstood country? :confused:
 
So Iran is just a wierd misunderstood country? :confused:

Yes, Iran is full of these things called "humans" who have emotions and opinions, many times that do not agree with the opinions of their leaders.

Iran is not a nation full of 70 million crazed Islamo-fascists hell bent on the destruction of Israel.
 
No, but it's a nation of 70 million led by a crazed Islamo-fascist hell bent on destroying Israel.

That said, I wonder if these elections were just a sham put on by the clerics in order to try and silence some of Iran's international critics.
 
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