Yuri2356
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You get the health bonus from those resources right off, and get an extra +1 from the harbour.Cdrommel said:
It makes so little sense it's funny
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- If you want to collect enough good books in a library to actually do RESEARCH, it takes decades.
- Monasteries stopped being useful to science at some point because their use was to preserve and revive ancient knowledge. After the renaissance, science moved on without props. As for the GL, it should be obsoleted with the advent of printing press, since that's when this sort of safekeeping of manuscripts became irrelevant.
- The fish/refrigeration thing is a good suggestion, it has to be implemented in a mod.
- There are many modern armies that have AA weapons but no airforce. Virtually all recent wars the United States have fought have been of this sort. The problem is that you may get AA weapons before anybody else on the map gets aircraft.
Just my 2c of humor...
DrewBledsoe said:Or how about:-
Advisor "Your excellancy, we have discovered a marvellous new idea, which we shall call "writing"...we should build a library at once.
King : "Writing? , Library? what are they?"
Advisor: " Writing is a method of placing the spoken word on ...erm...paper using a form of regular characters called an erm ..erm alphabet. A library is a place to store and view these written works"
King: "This sounds most excellent (Bill & Ted King) my man, but tell me ..which characters do our alphabet consist of"
Advisor : "Eeeehhhermmmm, we don't have one sir"
King "I see...and this "paper" you speak of"?
Advisor "Oh I just made that up sire....but we should still build a library at once sire, it will add to our city's culture..people will come from far afield..
King "...to view the empty shelves...no they'll think we're bloody daft.....GUARDS!"
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BTW thanks to all the above posters in this thread who made me laugh
I know the intent, of course, but there are written languagues that do not have an alphabet. The asian languages are prime examples - they are syllaberies, not alphabets.
Agreed.Bill3000 said:
To elaborate on Bill3000's point:
The "truly" original writing systems - Cunieform, the Aztec system, and Ancient Chinese* - were absolute messes, with the reader having to know not just symbols for each word, but qualifier symbols that changed the meanings of symbols, and on top of that, contextual changes to what the symbols meant. And the Incas' proto-literate quipu...*shudder*
Later writing systems were created by people who saw these "truly" original systems and what a good idea they were, and decided to either borrow them or make one for themselves...minus all the mess that came along with the originals. So the newer systems were MUCH cleaner and more streamlined. However, even after that it was quite a while before anybody thought to go to an Alphabet instead of a syllabary.
And like Bill3000 said, even today not everybody is using an Alphabet, namely in eastern asia.
*Egypt developed writing pretty quickly, but several things indicated that they were probably influenced by another writing system. First, it's "clean", unlike the others. Second, it was a LONG time after Cunieform came about one subcontinent over, so it's highly unlikely that the Egyptians had never even heard of Cunieform by the time the heiroglyph system was invented.
Sire we have news that our people have circumnavigated the globe and that now our ships are capable of moving through these waters to trade with far off lands with ease.
What the hell are ships? Get this lunatic out of my courtroom!!
Why is it possible to circumnavigate the globe by maps alone and recieve a bonus for it? Utterly bizarre
It is possible to circumnavigate the globe without having any knowledge of sailing on a planet that is 70% water? Right
What the hell are ships? Get this lunatic out of my courtroom!!
Why is it possible to circumnavigate the globe by maps alone and recieve a bonus for it? Utterly bizarre
It is possible to circumnavigate the globe without having any knowledge of sailing on a planet that is 70% water? Right
DaviddesJ
Deity
Wretchosoft said:
You're wrong: Walls do benefit all units defending against pre-gunpowder units. Check the Civilopedia.
TylerDurdon
Warlord
cthom said:wait! doesn't London still have pikemen (Beefeaters), The Vatican has those weird Swiss Guards, and here the Duke of Argyll still has a company of Archers! Or perhaps the warriors still guarding your cities are merely war re-enactment enthusiasts
Canadian proudly have their Mounties too!
A bunch of guy on horse defendind nobodies knows what... If it would be mine I would pay 100 g to changed it into a Gunship! gettingfat
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Story 1:
me: Can you let my missionaries pass?
Tokugawa: no way
me: But we are brothers, the followers of Buddhist! Don't you want our religious belief shared by more people?
Tokugawa: Too bad, (check his diplomacy advisor), our relationship is just +2, I'm still cautious of you.
me: How about I enlighten you with Theology, the way of Jesus?
Tokugawa: Sounds good. But wait for another 400 years for my attitude change.
Story 2:
In the United Nation, after a few rounds of alcholic beverages, leaders start to brag about their unique units.
Montzy: Our men are so creative. They don't need iron, all they need is to know how to work the iron, then they can use their imagination to work out a magical sword to fight, just with a bit discount.
Ghengis Khan: What are you talking about? Your pathetic swordmen without swords? Our men are true warriors! They can ride horses to climb over the Himalaya mountains in a day.
Catherine: Your little ponies? Our horses are much stronger... oh, don't look at me like that or I'll snap you. Well, when our men are on horses, they are "cannon-proof", and with some training they can be as good as a gunship.
Bismarck: You guys are still talking about horses? Four-legged animals? This is nonsense. Look at our Panzers. They are good to the point that they can have modern armors as breakfast. Who is better?
Everybody turns silient and starts eating, except Gandhi is quietly looking at Bismarck with a polite but defiant smile.
Bismarck: You don't agree? What do you have?
Gandhi: Our workers who are the friends of my grand-grand-grand... father borned almost 5000 years ago can still outrun your little tanks.
me: Can you let my missionaries pass?
Tokugawa: no way
me: But we are brothers, the followers of Buddhist! Don't you want our religious belief shared by more people?
Tokugawa: Too bad, (check his diplomacy advisor), our relationship is just +2, I'm still cautious of you.
me: How about I enlighten you with Theology, the way of Jesus?
Tokugawa: Sounds good. But wait for another 400 years for my attitude change.
Story 2:
In the United Nation, after a few rounds of alcholic beverages, leaders start to brag about their unique units.
Montzy: Our men are so creative. They don't need iron, all they need is to know how to work the iron, then they can use their imagination to work out a magical sword to fight, just with a bit discount.
Ghengis Khan: What are you talking about? Your pathetic swordmen without swords? Our men are true warriors! They can ride horses to climb over the Himalaya mountains in a day.
Catherine: Your little ponies? Our horses are much stronger... oh, don't look at me like that or I'll snap you. Well, when our men are on horses, they are "cannon-proof", and with some training they can be as good as a gunship.
Bismarck: You guys are still talking about horses? Four-legged animals? This is nonsense. Look at our Panzers. They are good to the point that they can have modern armors as breakfast. Who is better?
Everybody turns silient and starts eating, except Gandhi is quietly looking at Bismarck with a polite but defiant smile.
Bismarck: You don't agree? What do you have?
Gandhi: Our workers who are the friends of my grand-grand-grand... father borned almost 5000 years ago can still outrun your little tanks.
As mentioned above, alphabets are not required in writing. Nor is paper. The first writings were done in clay and stone tablets after all and papyrus is not paper either.
Scientific method did shake things up, since the medieval idea of science, followed in monasteries, was that true knowledge is found on old books written by Aristotle, Pliny et al. First thing to know is to see what we don't yet know. Thus the drop in science.
Taking decades to build a library is understandable. Taking decades to build a granary (or, say, a hunting camp) gets stretching.
And seeing Michelangelo or whoever to show up in Elvis costume is so wrong.
Scientific method did shake things up, since the medieval idea of science, followed in monasteries, was that true knowledge is found on old books written by Aristotle, Pliny et al. First thing to know is to see what we don't yet know. Thus the drop in science.
Taking decades to build a library is understandable. Taking decades to build a granary (or, say, a hunting camp) gets stretching.
And seeing Michelangelo or whoever to show up in Elvis costume is so wrong.
No you are God, your leader is like the pope and Jesus is a great leader and your avatar/son. who comes up with some bizzare ideas about compasssion good will faith charity and then dies for them ungrateful bstrds down there giving you the theology tech and some nice excuses for war. Haven't you seen him ascending to heaven in a ray of light?
DrewBledsoe
Veteran QB
To all those debating alphabet vs syllaberies (or whatever)
Egyptians : Since our borders are open and we have good relations Catherine, could you show us how to ride horses? (no giggling at the back there)
Catherine: I'm afraid you don't have an alphabet, so we can't
Eyptians: But we have a very nice syllabery (and our knights go neee)
Catherine: Come back when you have an alphabet...
As Meisen said...some just don't get it
Egyptians : Since our borders are open and we have good relations Catherine, could you show us how to ride horses? (no giggling at the back there)
Catherine: I'm afraid you don't have an alphabet, so we can't
Eyptians: But we have a very nice syllabery (and our knights go neee)
Catherine: Come back when you have an alphabet...
As Meisen said...some just don't get it
VANCOUVER, B.C. Canada (AP) The Western Canadian city of Vancouver has now formally seceded from Canada and asked to become part of the United States. This development follows nearly two years of roiting in the city following the release of a hit song by a "Great Artist" in nearby Seattle.
Large parts of the surrounding Western Canadian countryside pledged their allegiance to the U.S. approximately one year ago. Border adjustments have been reportedly been completed, with the U.S. gaining several hundred square miles of new territory as a result.
The artist, who bears a striking resemblence to Elvis Presley, was born in Chicago. He was relocated by the government and told to create his masterpiece in Seattle. Details of the arrangement have been closely guarded by officials.
Prior to the release of the song, the borders between the U.S. and Canada had been fairly stable due to a long and peaceful relationship, open borders and fair trade dealings between the two nations.
When asked for his reaction, the US President replied, "These kind of things happen when a great artist creates a great work in a border city. Culture culture causes borders to shift all of the time. Remember when they completed the Sistine Chapel in Montreal about 200 years ago? We damn near lost most of New England. Luckily, they only got the top half of Maine."
Despite these developments, it is reported that the Canadian Prime Minister's attitude towards the U.S. is still "pleased", though one might expect that he would be "annoyed" by now, given the loss of the major Western metropolis. "We share concern for our brothers and sisters of the faith", the devout P.M. has been reported as saying.
In other developments in Seattle, there is speculation about the emergence of a "Great Engineer", who is expected to give a boost to completion of Seattle's latest Wonder, "Broadway", which has fallen behind schedule due to ongoing labor problems. "It's just too crowded", complained a striking citizen dressed in bright red.
If the engineer emerges as expected, the project should be completed within one year. Without the Great Engineer, the residents of Seattle have been told not to expect to see the lights of Broadway for at least 12 more years.
In any event, the emergence of a "Great Person" is certain within the next year. An Engineer is likely (about 72%). Less likely (13%) is the emergence of a "Great Prophet" who would be asked to stay in Seattle, become a Preist, and boost industrial production.
There is a small chance (8%) that another Great Artist could emerge. Officials have said that should that be the case, the Artist will be relocated to Boston, where it is rumored that the next "Great Work" will allow the reclamation of Northern Maine lost nearly 200 years ago to Canada.
Large parts of the surrounding Western Canadian countryside pledged their allegiance to the U.S. approximately one year ago. Border adjustments have been reportedly been completed, with the U.S. gaining several hundred square miles of new territory as a result.
The artist, who bears a striking resemblence to Elvis Presley, was born in Chicago. He was relocated by the government and told to create his masterpiece in Seattle. Details of the arrangement have been closely guarded by officials.
Prior to the release of the song, the borders between the U.S. and Canada had been fairly stable due to a long and peaceful relationship, open borders and fair trade dealings between the two nations.
When asked for his reaction, the US President replied, "These kind of things happen when a great artist creates a great work in a border city. Culture culture causes borders to shift all of the time. Remember when they completed the Sistine Chapel in Montreal about 200 years ago? We damn near lost most of New England. Luckily, they only got the top half of Maine."
Despite these developments, it is reported that the Canadian Prime Minister's attitude towards the U.S. is still "pleased", though one might expect that he would be "annoyed" by now, given the loss of the major Western metropolis. "We share concern for our brothers and sisters of the faith", the devout P.M. has been reported as saying.
In other developments in Seattle, there is speculation about the emergence of a "Great Engineer", who is expected to give a boost to completion of Seattle's latest Wonder, "Broadway", which has fallen behind schedule due to ongoing labor problems. "It's just too crowded", complained a striking citizen dressed in bright red.
If the engineer emerges as expected, the project should be completed within one year. Without the Great Engineer, the residents of Seattle have been told not to expect to see the lights of Broadway for at least 12 more years.
In any event, the emergence of a "Great Person" is certain within the next year. An Engineer is likely (about 72%). Less likely (13%) is the emergence of a "Great Prophet" who would be asked to stay in Seattle, become a Preist, and boost industrial production.
There is a small chance (8%) that another Great Artist could emerge. Officials have said that should that be the case, the Artist will be relocated to Boston, where it is rumored that the next "Great Work" will allow the reclamation of Northern Maine lost nearly 200 years ago to Canada.
beestar
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Funny! And I live in Vancouver ...
sensoukami
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THAT was good!Roibeárd said:
and I live in Vancouver too...Leader:Why are there warriors defending my capital city? This is the year 1965 for god's sake.
General: Sorry Sir, we forgot to upgrade them.
Leader: How much will it cost to upgrade them?
General: Well sir, that would be 300 million gold (as gold is short for million gold in civ iv), and thats just about equal to our GDP, if oyu check the dempgraphics, so, as a major world superpower, itll cost us around $200 billion us dollars.
Leader: WHat?? all were doing is buying a few guns?!?!?
General: sorry sir, thats how it is, theres no leonardo's workshop in civ iv.
Leader: wait one moment. Are you saying that from generation to generation, over 6000 years, we have continually been training men with clubs in out barracks????? Even when axemen, musketmen, infantry, and ICBM's were invented
General: Yup
Leader: Jesus
General: Sorry Sir, we forgot to upgrade them.
Leader: How much will it cost to upgrade them?
General: Well sir, that would be 300 million gold (as gold is short for million gold in civ iv), and thats just about equal to our GDP, if oyu check the dempgraphics, so, as a major world superpower, itll cost us around $200 billion us dollars.
Leader: WHat?? all were doing is buying a few guns?!?!?
General: sorry sir, thats how it is, theres no leonardo's workshop in civ iv.
Leader: wait one moment. Are you saying that from generation to generation, over 6000 years, we have continually been training men with clubs in out barracks????? Even when axemen, musketmen, infantry, and ICBM's were invented
General: Yup
Leader: Jesus
Meffy
humanoid skunk
Work crew: Sir, our first turn's worth of production has been returned from the hills and mines around our new city!
City manager: Excellent. Let's have a look.
Work crew: [proudly empties a sack of hammers on table]
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Husband: Honey, every evening it's the same -- fish, crabs, wheat, fish, crabs, wheat. Can't we have something different for a change -- like pork or beef or rice?
Housewife: Well, why don't YOU go out there and build a trade route then?
Studio audience: [laughter]
City manager: Excellent. Let's have a look.
Work crew: [proudly empties a sack of hammers on table]
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Husband: Honey, every evening it's the same -- fish, crabs, wheat, fish, crabs, wheat. Can't we have something different for a change -- like pork or beef or rice?
Housewife: Well, why don't YOU go out there and build a trade route then?
Studio audience: [laughter]
Xenocrates
Deity
Happiness manager: 'We're lucky. There's no need to build a road from the gems in the hills yonder to our city. The river will serve the same purpose.'
Me: 'yippee. Then I say we head for the island yonder and see what bounty it holds for us.'
Military manager: 'Fraid not sir we haven't discovered the technology that will allow us to build boats.'
Me: speechless.....
Me: 'yippee. Then I say we head for the island yonder and see what bounty it holds for us.'
Military manager: 'Fraid not sir we haven't discovered the technology that will allow us to build boats.'
Me: speechless.....
