ITNES I - An Epoch of Change

[Finmaster]

Must the Kingdom of the Dawn Land remind the Dacioillyrian Empire that prior to our diplomatic intervention, they had been quite content to stand aside and watch the entire Dawning Ocean become a Punic lake while Gaul and Cimberland fell to Punic hordes? If it were not for our diplomatic negotiations and strategic proposals, this war would still be raging and the Punic Empire would be well on its way to full revival. We ask you now that you recognize the sacrifices and leadership of ourselves and the Algonquian Confederation by granting the both of us control of the Hawk Islands as well as guaranteeing our right to participate in the creation of a second treaty, instead of relegating it solely to our Nortuguese allies.

I'm not trying to diminish your glory in any way, we recognize your effort in the war. What I'm saying is that you should be able to negotiate the land division with Nortugal without our interference. DIE doesn't really care who gets what in the Atlantic, as long as its not Punic Empire who gets it. I'm sure you can, as good pals, work it out with Nortugal by yourselves, yes?

 

[Niklas]

From: Algonquian Confederation and the people of the Dawn Lands
To: Nortugal
It is with heavy hearts that we hear your words, you whom we would consider friends and allies. Our people have fought with you, for you, and yet you belittle our efforts in this way. We do not dispute that your navy was instrumental in bringing down the behemoth, and so we do not dispute your claims to the former Punician lands in Florida, nor the islands of the Olmecian Sea [1]. Yet you begrudge us any rights to recompensation for our efforts, for the loss of life and property, by denying our claims to the Hawk Islands [2], which to you would be but another little piece of your already grand empire - to us they are a key to security and prosperity! Do not let greed cloud your vision!

We ask again that you recongnize our claims to the Hawk Islands, and we will be content.

[1] - The Caribbean
[2] - The Azores

OOC@Finmaster: Fair enough.

 

[erez87]

to Algoquian and People of the Dawn land:
Claims over the Azores? What claims? Carthage have ruled those islands for more than a thousand years by now. Before it it was only in the legends of Lusitinian tribes, our grand grand ancestors. There were never dawn tribes there.
We have givesn you land in the real world, land conquered by much blood of our own soldeirs, for nothing in return. Our greed? It is only your greed to claim some europian islands. The only reason the tribes of the Dawn wish to control the island chain is to block outside settlers, for now, only none-Nortuguess, but once you are pwoerful enough, what would stop you from doing that as well? Now that is greed.
You have no claim to the Azores. No ungreedy claim...

It seems that being nice to the dawn tribes have made them feeling too secure. They now believe they own anything and everything in the world, asking for more and more lands, for free, because they believe it is theirs. They also name us tools of their people. How dare you? We have given so much, and a part from a little trade and economy, and aid in one puny land battle over Bermuda that was never even needed as it was a sure lose at land anyway.

Nortugal is no more friendly with the Dawn tribes. All those who put their noses up in the skies thinking everything should be theirs are no friend of Nortugal. We will finish teaching the two civilized tribes of our technology and there our friendly reletions will end. Nothing but trade will flow. And by this we also declear any future land deal Null and Void. (that means we will not sell any lands to Thw Dawn). Any alliance signed is Null and Void as well, and any pact except the scientifical one as we have been payd for it and so we will finish it as quickly as possible.

As far as Nortugal cares, the Dawn tribes are on their own now against outsiders wishing to settle in the new world on teir own tribal lands.
And we shall defend Azores from anyone, europian or Dawnian that would want to claim it.

 

[Symphony D.]

Carthage have ruled those islands for more than a thousand years by now.

OOC: Roflcopter.

 

[Disenfrancised]

[1] - The Caribbean
[2] - The Azores

1)Its been the Carib sea since the begining of things .
2)Why on earth would you call it something different to Nortugal and Carthage, you only know about it through them and doubtlessly use their word for it

OCC: Gosh, and here I though it would be at least a few years before the victors fell out

 

[Lord_Iggy]

So tossi and das... we need to sort this out before orders time.

I'm willing to pull out of Africa and make peace with the factions. Phonecia also wants peace. What are Menes and the Nubians' opinions?

*massive hacking cough*

 

[Niklas]

To: Nortugal
From: Algonquian Confederation
Woe be this day, when the King of Nortugal thinks he no longer has a need for friends. You call us greedy when we wish only for survival. You tell us we are feeling secure, as if security is a feeling you would begrudge us. Should we not be allowed to feel secure in our own homes? You, who have come to our lands for this very reason, that you did not feel secure?

You asked us to be grateful for lands you have given to us, the same land that our peoples have lived in for millennia. And we were grateful. Did we invoke our rights to these lands by tradition? No, we were grateful to you, and pledged friendship to your people.

You say we may in the future wish to block our Nortuguese friends from settling in Dawn, despite our claims of friendship. Yet how could we ever have done that? Nortugal does not depend on the route via Sunrise to cross the Dawning Ocean, her navigators know the path through the northern seas. Our proclamations have been as much for the sake of your people, our Nortuguese friends, as it has been for ours. Yet now you call us ungrateful. Why? Does the King of Nortugal no longer care for his own people who have come to live in the Lands of Dawn?

You are right that we hold no claims through tradition to the Azores. That has never been our argument. You are right that our contribution to the war against Punicia was small. We have never claimed otherwise, and have not asked for much either. Greed? What we ask is for our people the right to feel secure, yet you would begrudge us this? You, who claim to have come to our lands because you were not secure in your own homelands, who have been prosecuted and made paria, who claim to better than anyone know what insecurity means? Has the King of Nortugal forgotten the woes of his people?

We only hope that the price of a King's folly will not be paid by the Nortuguese people. We will still consider friends the Nortuguese people who have come to live in the greater Dawn Lands, as kings do not dictate friendship. If your nation will not formally ally with us, so be it, for what is an alliance anyway? We are certain your people will fight as much as ours if invaders come.

Woe be this day, if the King of Nortugal chooses to denounce the friends of his own people. Remember the fate of Carthage.

OOC@dis: Right you are.

 

[erez87]

to Alguqoia:
Friends? What friend asks for the lands that his other friend have taken by blood without even thinking twice, and than continue asking for it again and again?
What friend insults it's friend beliefs by calling him a tool of some god?

You say we may in the future wish to block our Nortuguese friends from settling in Dawn, despite our claims of friendship. Yet how could we ever have done that? Nortugal does not depend on the route via Sunrise to cross the Dawning Ocean, her navigators know the path through the northern seas. Our proclamations have been as much for the sake of your people, our Nortuguese friends, as it has been for ours. Yet now you call us ungrateful. Why? Does the King of Nortugal no longer care for his own people who have come to live in the Lands of Dawn?

It is called war. That is a way in which you can block our expansion, once we help you reach the ability to do so.

Carthage never denounced any friendship, they had no friends, and they were horribly arrogant. Kind of like The tribes of the new world.

As in secure, we meant secure against us.
Our trade relations may remain friendly, and our people may like each other, and I, king of Nortugal may prefer the tribes of the Dawn on many other kingdoms across the world, yet it seems our so called friendship slowly creates two kingdoms of lazy men that asks from their "friends" for anything they need...

EDIT: Rest assured thought. Nortugal has no plans of war against the tribes anywhere. We will defend the Azores, but we will not invade the kingdoms of the tribes, not until attacked.

 

[tossi]

*massive hacking cough*

OOC: I am realy sorry Iggy, I am short on time this week.

From: Phoenicia
To: Parhea, Egypt and Nubia

I think we can all agree to this treaty:

Purple Sea Accords:
Purple Sea= Phoenician for Red Sea

-peace is settled between all involved nations
-Parhea withdraws from all of Africa, keeping their Arabian possesions
-Nubia withdraws from Egypt Proper, keeping their sovereignty
-Phoenicia withdraws from Egypt, keeping the Sinai and the Sile
-A 25 year NAP is signed between all involved nations

Awaiting signature of:

Shah Saraxeres I of Parhae
Pharaoh-Imeprator Menes I of Egypt (signed)
King Marsis I of Nubia (signed)
King Jerubals V of Phoenicia (signed)
___

They have agreed with Phoenicia beforehand.

(the other Phoenico-Egypt-Nubian deals remain in effect)

 

[erez87]

btw who would Carthage pay first?

 

[das]

OOC: So are the Lucans included or not? And if yes, what will happen with their troops in Libya?

 

[Thlayli]

Here is our suggestion for Carthage's paying of tribute:

1st 5 years:

1 to Gaul
1 to Cimberland
1 to DIE

2nd 5 years:

1 to Gaul
1 to Cimberland
1 to Nortugal

3rd 5 years:

1 to Nortugal
1 to DIE

As for your island dispute, we agree with the Nortugese position, on the condition that Gaul be able to retain one of the islands for trading purposes.

The treaty of Italcart, minus that small detail, has few problems as it is.

 

[tossi]

OOC: -0,13+0,059/2V*log1/1 !!

From: Phoenicia
To: Luca and Menesite Egypt

A seperate treaty should settle the matter of occupied Lybia.

Treaty of Cyrenaica

-Luca will keep it's coastal Lybian conquest
-Luca and Menesite Egypt will cooperate to keep the Berbers at bay
-Luca and Menesite Egypt will sign a 25 year NAP

Awaiting signature of:

Sultan Atal Pervashid II of Luca
Pharaoh-Imeprator Menes I of Egypt (signed)

 

[erez87]

(lol Gaul agreeing with Nortugal...)

We prefer to receive both economies at once, so we wouldn't mind getting them last...
As for Azores, we will allow Gaul free ship fees in the Azores, but we really would rather hold it.

 

[Thlayli]

We will agree to the simultaneous payment of Nortugal's tribute, if Nortugal allows Gaul to control the southernmost Azores island.

We hereby assure Nortugal that no military force upwards of 10,000 soldiers will be present on that island as a garrison.

1st 5 years:

1 to Gaul
1 to Cimberland
1 to DIE

2nd 5 years:

1 to Gaul
1 to Cimberland
1 to DIE

3rd 5 years:

2 to Nortugal

 

[das]

Egypt accepts the Treaty of Cyreneica.

 

[erez87]

ok than, we shall receive the payment in two turns, and not one, not biggie. I really would rather control the islands myself.

 

[andis-1]

From: Pervashid empire of Luca
To: Egypt
CC: Other parties involved

We see it to be in the best interests of us all that Lucan's take control of Libya from berber hordes, restoring peace, trade and stability to the region.

Sultan Atal Pervashid II signs the treat yof cyreneica.

 

[Israelite9191]

1)Its been the Carib sea since the begining of things .
2)Why on earth would you call it something different to Nortugal and Carthage, you only know about it through them and doubtlessly use their word for it

OCC: Gosh, and here I though it would be at least a few years before the victors fell out

1.) Doesn't care, not my idea to change the name.
2.) The Hawk Islands is a translation of the Portuguese Ac,ores (well, to be precise, the Gosshawk Islands). Seeing as the name was taken directly learned from the Carthaginian name, and the propaganda of war tends to try to rename things, it seemed only appropriate to translate the name. Same as our use of Sunrise Islands instead of Atlankage.

 

[tossi]

From: Phoenicia
To: Egypt and Luca

After talks with Luca the following treaty was crafted:

Revised Treaty of Cyrenaica

-Luca will keep it's coastal Lybian conquest
-Luca will gain a small stretch of land indicated on the map to even its border
-Luca and Menesite Egypt will sign a 25 year NAP

Awaiting signature of:

Sultan Atal Pervashid II of Luca (signed)
Pharaoh-Imeprator Menes I of Egypt