It's About to Get Hot at the Border
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This is how we create the next generation of wrestling superstars. Trump can throw McMahon a bone.
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I'm not certain what the outcome of this will be but I do know that if the militias start shooting people Trump will blame CNN for inciting violence. Though he wouldn't be completely wrong - it is CNN et al that carry his non-stop calls to violence and characterization of the migrants as ISIS sleeper agents and rapists.
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Well, CNN at least points out that when Trump says that he has no proof and a track record of being a lying sack of excrement. When Fox carries it they don't point that out, and when the right wing echo chamber carries it they put it next to calls for him to order an invasion of Mexico.
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Yes, he would be completely wrong. It is news (in fact big news) when a US president actively stokes stokes nationalist animosities, and CNN's job is to report the news. They would be remiss not to report on that.
He is utterly to blame for doing so, not them for covering it.
To be fair, if the media had ignored Captain Dingbat from the beginning he'd be wallowing in well-deserved obscurity.
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They couldn't even do that. He indisputably has one skill: grabbing headlines: knowing the kinds of things that the media must cover.
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I don't disagree with all of the above I am just shining a light on our media's obsession with everything Trump says and tweets to the detriment of our political system. I also do not give the media a pass because while they sometimes push back against his lies more often they just report what he says without qualifier. Even when they give a qualifier it's ineffective as his base is willfully ignorant of his various trespasses against fact-based reality.
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His base isn't watching CNN, they watch channels that don't offend them with facts. People who watch CNN might not get a "this is yet another lie" attachment on every line out of Trump's mouth, but they certainly get enough to know that anything the POSIC says is probably false.
That's the strawman. What does Mexico granting asylum have to do with @Commodore 's question about whether a violent conflict at the border will happen or not?... seems like nothing... so in other words... a strawman.
My point in bringing up whether they are seeking asylum here is that if they are indeed planning to turn themselves over and request asylum, there will be no need for any bloodbath, there will just be a concentration er um internment, er um, detention camp set up at the border, and the border police will take the folks into custody for processing, (and presumably rejection after an undetermined period of detention) followed by a bunch of booing and jeering on the part of the militias.
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More like a thread derailing red herring, which was obvious as soon as you saw who posted it. I was hoping that
A) no one would respond
B) he would just go troll somewhere else
Fair enough... But what about my point that the folks going into detention at the border alleviates the need for any bloodbath at the hand of militias, Mexican police or otherwise?
That's where the potential for conflict is though. These militias might try to stop them from turning themselves over in the first place. Might even be a few that would be crazy enough to actually attack any Border Patrol facilities attempting to process the migrants.
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I saw Lawrence O'Donnell do a cool thing the other night. I don't know whether he's making it a regular practice or not. He put up a Trump tweet, then walked through it sentence by sentence. For each sentence that was a lie, he superimposed a little graphic on the tweet. It was one of those dialogue balloons as in comic strips and just had the word "Lie" in it. By the end all four or five of the sentences in the tweet had such a balloon next to it.
They can't do anything about that other than continuing to put out the facts as well as they can establish them.
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That's a fine point, other than the implication that there is anything that could possibly present a "need for a bloodbath at the hands of militias." The only good outcome I could imagine that involves a bloodbath would be the militias losing track of their location, finding themselves in Mexico, and being justly exterminated by Mexican authorities.
The thing about that is, then they'd have to consider actually going into Mexico to intercept the caravan before it gets to the US Border agents. If they stay on our side then they are going to get treated to a guy on a bullhorn shouting "We will be taking the migrants into custody upon entry! Your assistance is not required! Please refrain from interfering or you will be arrested and charged with a federal crime!" I'm guessing hearing that is going to cause the majority of the folks who are there mostly for show to back down... which will in turn possibly domino into making the more zealous ones back down.
Of course going into Mexico risks getting into a shootout with Mexican authorities... which... I'm not convinced that folks threatening a caravan of unarmed civilians including children is looking to face off with a comparably armed/trained force. Their whole posture seems to be on the bully'ish side, so I'm skeptical they want to shoot at fish that shoot back.
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They do not need to give wall to wall coverage of every inane thing he puts out there, much less the veritable mountain of horsepoop and lies he peddles.
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Asylum is the stated goal of the group. That doesn't mean every single member of said group is being honest about it. Asylum was the stated goal of the caravan from last year, but we see how that turned out:
401 properly requested asylum at a port of entry
122 got caught trying to sneak across the border illegally
Of the 401 who requested asylum, 374 of them passed the first 'fear' test (93%). But, on average (not just people from the caravan), the average acceptance of asylum applications after passing the fear test is 22%. So there is either a very low standard to passing the fear test, or high standard to getting formal asylum after that, or a combination of both.
After 9 months, 85% of those that passed the 'fear' test have not yet filed for formal asylum. Where are they? Why have they not filed? Did they know they needed to take this next step and passing the 'fear' test is not the final step? Or did they join the caravan to bypass the border and not have to rely on smugglers?
Of those whose cases have been finalized, 3 were accepted and 1 was rejected.
Yeah, but you can't count on that though. Some of these militia types have been going more and more off the deep end for a while now and some of them might have hit the point where launching raids into Mexico sounds like a good idea.
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Trump is deploying 5000 soldiers to the border to stop the caravan.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/10/29/migrant-caravan-troops-border/1805864002/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/10/29/migrant-caravan-troops-border/1805864002/
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