JalNES I: Quick and Easy

[The Farow]

From Prussia
To Noricum

We would like axemen to bring the war to their lands and if you may send us funds to purchase more units to bring the war to Sweden. We will pay you back following the end of this conflict.

 

[North King]

Birdjaguar has too. He gave me details for everything he decided to do, and convinced me they were feasible. Also, there was absolutely nothing in your orders to do with Egypt--everything was focused on Sparta and Sumer. Your intelligence service was much more concerned with finding out when the attack would come from Sumer.

Lack of orders is not an order to do nothing.

You did win the pitched battles. They just had a strategy in which that was desirable.

I seem to recall my strategy was more of a dragnet approach.

"Once we figure out where their fleet is going, move to block them in the open water with all our ships. Since our fleet is more experienced and in a good strategic location, they should be able to dictate the time and place of the battle–right in the middle of the sea, without nice land features nearby."

I imagine that even if he sent part of his fleet to attack me, I'd still have enough to intercept him, given my assured vast naval superiority. And,

"Now, the little probing raids should be able, for one thing, to hurt the Spartan economy, by forcing them to react to many minor burnings on their shore. However, it also acts as a gatherer of information. Utilize these raids in conjunction with our operatives who are in Sparta anyway to figure out where exactly their fleet is going."

I was trying to find out what the Spartans were doing with my ships. The raids were, like I specifically stated, not intended to just act as raids.

Not that you mentioned, so it was assumed you were using the usual system--which Spartan agents had infiltrated. And don't complain about that--I sent you a PM specifically warning you of that.

I had mentioned earlier that it was remarkably easy to get aid across the Bosporus; THAT was what I assumed my usual system was. Sailing them into a Spartan lake seems unusually stupid for my subordinates.

Only part of the harbor was burnt. That part was more there for color. They could get food into the city (what ships there were, since you specifically ordered them to stay in the Aegean), but the lack of water was the bigger problem.

Your navy was specifically ordered to STAY IN THE AEGEAN. It did.

Not so.

"Once we figure out where their fleet is going, move to block them in the open water with all our ships. Since our fleet is more experienced and in a good strategic location, they should be able to dictate the time and place of the battle–right in the middle of the sea, without nice land features nearby."

"2) We lose. In which case, withdraw with as much of the fleet intact as possible. Now that our forces are on the defensive again, we have to figure out how to stop the Spartans from attacking. Our land forces should be deployed a while back from the coast, able to reply to any landing, forcing them back into the sea, but not able to be outflanked. Our naval forces should harass the enemy, straining his supply lines and rendering an attack on Anatolia, or even more so, an attack on Palestine, a very bad idea indeed."

One of those specifically mentions the possibility of a Spartan attack further with their ships. Both of those show that I had no intention of maintaining a static position.

You commited troops for the fleet, which was in the Aegean. There was resistance in Turkey. There wasn't any in Cyprus because every one of your troops was either on the Spartan or Sumerian front.

No. Those troops were specifically for land defense only, not as ship to ship boarding parties:

"On the open sea, our superior seamanship means a lot. Use ramming tactics in ship to ship combat; boarding tactics simply are not practical in the open sea.

From our experience and studies, the Spartans have typically utilized the tactics of drawing one part of the fleet away and destroying that. Well, too bad.

Since our ships are faster, and our crews more experienced, and the battle most likely in open water, we dictate the terms of battle."

Both of those show that I was specifically ready to fight the kind of thing he did: drawing one part of the fleet away, though admittedly the "destroying it" part wasn't applicable here.

In any case, my soldiers, I understood as defending both Anatolia and Cyprus.

And that hurts, BTW.

 

[Luckymoose]

Great Update.

To: Rome
From: Carthage

We ask you to stay nuetral as this is an old conflict coming back. And to long have they controlled all our trade in the Western Mediterrean. In fact it would be quite smart if you took parts of Syracusian lands.

 

[TerrisH]

Nice.
IC:
To Noricum and Prussia
1EP for Iron

 

[Luckymoose]

To: Syracuse
From: Carthage

On your knees dog.

 

[Birdjaguar]

To: Egypt
From: League of the Sea Peoples

Infamy, treachery, basest of all evil. You are the scum of the Earth, and we shall see you pay dear for your treasons; though we may be destroyed in the coming years, you shall feel the iron, brutal hand of war. We expect you to give no quarter, for we shall give you none.

Betrayed? We had no agreement. No NAP. We talked of peace and alliances but did not commit to anything. Your declaration of war on Sparta was... provocative. We have not broken any treaty, but were, I do agree, less than forthcoming with our plans and perhaps misleading. But I do believe that it was you who proclaimed "I do not trust you [Egypt]."

Tyre was built to compete with Egypt for trade and now it no longer will since it is Egypt. Our goal is met. We have no need for a protracted war and will not attack you unless you attack us. Peace I do not expect from you, but prolonged fighting is your decision now. Ravage these lands again if it will soothe your wounded pride. We will be here to defend them like as not.

 

[North King]

To: Egypt
From: League of the Sea Peoples

Sweet words and honeyed tongues do not impress us. You shall burn in the eternal depths of hell.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

From: Noricum
To: Prussia

We will send you 1500 Axemen and 1 EP.

Lack of orders is not an order to do nothing.

You did do something. My point was that since there weren't orders about intelligence, I had to use the general theme of the orders--so obviously they focused on Sumer and Sparta.

I seem to recall my strategy was more of a dragnet approach.

"Once we figure out where their fleet is going, move to block them in the open water with all our ships. Since our fleet is more experienced and in a good strategic location, they should be able to dictate the time and place of the battle–right in the middle of the sea, without nice land features nearby."

I imagine that even if he sent part of his fleet to attack me, I'd still have enough to intercept him, given my assured vast naval superiority. And,

"Now, the little probing raids should be able, for one thing, to hurt the Spartan economy, by forcing them to react to many minor burnings on their shore. However, it also acts as a gatherer of information. Utilize these raids in conjunction with our operatives who are in Sparta anyway to figure out where exactly their fleet is going."

I was trying to find out what the Spartans were doing with my ships. The raids were, like I specifically stated, not intended to just act as raids.

You did dictate the time and place of battle. And you knew which direction they were going, but not where exactly, and you were busy fighting a battle, which you won, btw.

I had mentioned earlier that it was remarkably easy to get aid across the Bosporus; THAT was what I assumed my usual system was. Sailing them into a Spartan lake seems unusually stupid for my subordinates.

If you really want me to change the method, I can, but the fact remains that the Spartans would have caught it no matter what, since they already knew about it.

Not so.

"Once we figure out where their fleet is going, move to block them in the open water with all our ships. Since our fleet is more experienced and in a good strategic location, they should be able to dictate the time and place of the battle–right in the middle of the sea, without nice land features nearby."

"2) We lose. In which case, withdraw with as much of the fleet intact as possible. Now that our forces are on the defensive again, we have to figure out how to stop the Spartans from attacking. Our land forces should be deployed a while back from the coast, able to reply to any landing, forcing them back into the sea, but not able to be outflanked. Our naval forces should harass the enemy, straining his supply lines and rendering an attack on Anatolia, or even more so, an attack on Palestine, a very bad idea indeed."

One of those specifically mentions the possibility of a Spartan attack further with their ships. Both of those show that I had no intention of maintaining a static position.

But you left out "3) Indecisive. In this case, defend the Aegean against further Spartan attacks, and catch them going against us."

No. Those troops were specifically for land defense only, not as ship to ship boarding parties:

"On the open sea, our superior seamanship means a lot. Use ramming tactics in ship to ship combat; boarding tactics simply are not practical in the open sea.

From our experience and studies, the Spartans have typically utilized the tactics of drawing one part of the fleet away and destroying that. Well, too bad.

Since our ships are faster, and our crews more experienced, and the battle most likely in open water, we dictate the terms of battle."

Both of those show that I was specifically ready to fight the kind of thing he did: drawing one part of the fleet away, though admittedly the "destroying it" part wasn't applicable here.

In any case, my soldiers, I understood as defending both Anatolia and Cyprus.

Fine, fine. I'll edit the update so that you repulsed them from Turkey. But I don't see anything about defending Cyprus in your orders, and don't agree with your interpretation of the above. So Cyprus will still be taken. I notice you're only arguing about the Spartan campaign when the Egyptian one was far more decisive.

And that hurts, BTW.

I, too, overreacted. The last part has been removed.

 

[Luckymoose]

To: Egypt
From: League of the Sea Peoples

Sweet words and honeyed tongues do not impress us. You shall burn in the eternal depths of hell.

The world must have gotten a shot of testosteron or something, everyone is so edgy and manly.

 

[North King]

The world must have gotten a shot of testosteron or something, everyone is so edgy and manly.

OOC: Or irritated at bull****? It's perfectly IC to call someone out when they're saying "oh yes, our war was for perfectly good reasons, and now that we've burnt your capital to the ground, we'll just defend against your attacks"...

 

[Birdjaguar]

To: Egypt
From: League of the Sea Peoples

Sweet words and honeyed tongues do not impress us. You shall burn in the eternal depths of hell.

To the League of Sea Peoples
From Egypt

Are you repudiating my declaration to end Egyptian aggression?

 

[North King]

You did do something. My point was that since there weren't orders about intelligence, I had to use the general theme of the orders--so obviously they focused on Sumer and Sparta.

But surely I would assume my people weren't so stupid as to ignore everything else?

You did dictate the time and place of battle. And you knew which direction they were going, but not where exactly, and you were busy fighting a battle, which you won, btw.

I had 190 or so ships. You're telling me that against the 120 or so Spartans, we couldn't divide our forces and win both?

If you really want me to change the method, I can, but the fact remains that the Spartans would have caught it no matter what, since they already knew about it.

Aha! But I have a counterintel system in place, no? And, if, as you claim, its efforts were focused mostly against Sparta and Sumeria...

But you left out "3) Indecisive. In this case, defend the Aegean against further Spartan attacks, and catch them going against us."

That's two parts, and the second clearly says to catch their attacks.

Fine, fine. I'll edit the update so that you repulsed them from Turkey. But I don't see anything about defending Cyprus in your orders, and don't agree with your interpretation of the above. So Cyprus will still be taken. I notice you're only arguing about the Spartan campaign when the Egyptian one was far more decisive.

OK, jal, you have condemned yourself. My orders will now be 4 PMs long of completely superfluous material so that you can't worm your way out of it this time.

 

[TerrisH]

OOC: I am Glad I have NAP's with all the sides. while they will eventualy turn their eys toward me, by that time, I will be Prepared. Or at least ready to make another NAP. ^_^

 

[North King]

Are you repudiating my declaratioin to end Egyptian aggression?

You have burned our capital to the ground, killed our people when they surrendered to you, aided our enemies, as our analysis of the Spartan navy clearly shows, heavily damaged our nation, and you expect us to forgive you?

You are betrayers, and you shall burn in the depths of hell. I trusted your nation, and you betrayed us, so we shall help send you on your merry way.

 

[The Farow]

From Prussia
To Atryria

We will send you 1 EP in exchange for the transaction of iron. We would like to bring our people closer together would you accept a three turn NAP?

 

[Birdjaguar]

You have burned our capital to the ground, killed our people when they surrendered to you, aided our enemies, as our analysis of the Spartan navy clearly shows, heavily damaged our nation, and you expect us to forgive you?

You are betrayers, and you shall burn in the depths of hell. I trusted your nation, and you betrayed us, so we shall help send you on your merry way.

So be it then.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

But surely I would assume my people weren't so stupid as to ignore everything else?

Not ignore, but not focus on, either.

I had 190 or so ships. You're telling me that against the 120 or so Spartans, we couldn't divide our forces and win both?

Not when they were already attacking you from behind, no.

Aha! But I have a counterintel system in place, no? And, if, as you claim, its efforts were focused mostly against Sparta and Sumeria...

And they told you that the Spartans had infiltrated the system. But you didn't act on that knowledge.

That's two parts, and the second clearly says to catch their attacks.

I interpret that as attacks within the Aegean.

OK, jal, you have condemned yourself. My orders will now be 4 PMs long of completely superfluous material so that you can't worm your way out of it this time.

That's pretty much what Birdjaguar did.

I like the detail, to some extent. I learned all about growing seasons in the Mediterranean from Birdjaguar. And it makes it much easier to update. Part of the reason your part took so long is because there was no mention of Egypt--so I had to make my best guess about what would happen. That's much harder than just evaluating 2 sets of orders.

 

[North King]

Well damn! I try to be nice to mods in sending shorter order sets, but if that's what I get...

 

[jalapeno_dude]

Well damn! I try to be nice to mods in sending shorter order sets, but if that's what I get...

Do note there is a 2 PM limit, however....

 

[TerrisH]

To Prussia
Agreed, to both. Let Peace Be Between us. (Agreed to both.)

To Byzantine Republic:
? I thought we had another Turn of a NAP. oh well. Care to Renew it for another 3 turns?

OOC: JD, the NAPS are Messed up. I have 2 NAP's with Sparta. (a 2 turn and a 3 turn)