The most important thing to running a campaign today is money. Money comes from the bank. If you are against the bank there is no way to get the money you need. You can't campaign against the bank.
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Citibank should exercise its Citizens United rights and jump in the race.
Timsup2nothin
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I would vote for Citibank over pretty much any Republican candidate that has thus far been suggested.
Well the reality is you are voting for Citibank, and Bank of America, and Goldman Sachs, and Wells Fargo etc, regardless of what candidate you vote for.
That is the real power in elections, the power to pick the candidates, the power to decide what the "choices" are. By the time we start voting, the real election is over, because our candidates have already been handpicked for us by the bank/financial houses.
Double entendre intended or just unintentionally hilarious?
A few years back taking a wide stance was all the rage in Republican leadership circles.
onejayhawk
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No. It's up there, but not at the top. Every election there are MUCH better funded candidates that lose. Regardless of funding, a candidate must pas a sniff test.
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Money is the only thing you can't win without (that and a full head of hair). Every other quality is interchangeable with something else.
That hasn't stopped a single candidate yet.
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Technically there is no requirement for a birth certificate. The age requirement seems like it could be met by proof of an incorporation date.
I think Trump is going to show us his long form bankruptcy certificates.
onejayhawk
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You say that like it's a bad thing.
That said, you're wrong. Only a single candidate has managed without one.
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Feel free to prove that. To the best of my knowledge only one candidate has ever been asked for one, so effectively every candidate other than that one has 'managed without one'.
Just like just about everyone manages their entire life without one. Unless of course a bunch of lunatics decide that since you are black you must have been born in Africa since they are apparently too deep in their insanity to notice that black people are in fact being born here in the USA.
The only one I have ever seen is Obama's. The only short form I have seen publically provided before an election was Obama's.
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The republicans have spent a lot of time trying to tar Hillary since 2007 but I don't think any of it has stuck. It's amazing how long they have clung to the 'BUT BENGHAZI' line of attack that has failed to really hurt her polling or favorability amongst anyone but people who would never vote for her in the first place.
I don't see many democrats making serious moves to run next year either. So I think Hillary will be the nominee for the dems.
I don't see Jeb Bush getting the republican nomination to be honest. But I only base that on a gut feeling.
I don't see many democrats making serious moves to run next year either. So I think Hillary will be the nominee for the dems.
I don't see Jeb Bush getting the republican nomination to be honest. But I only base that on a gut feeling.
onejayhawk
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Benghazi is just one of many transparency problem they have with the White House, not Hillary. More recently, for example, is the FCC proposal to declare the internet a utility. "Net Neutrality" is a joke in poor taste.
I agree there are few Democrats will to run against her. It's like Bob Dole in 1996 and John McCain in 2008. Funny, those are Republicans. They are the ones that used to coronate the front runner. Democrats were the ones with a crowd of wide eyed hopefuls.
Speaking of funny:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-is-the-george-w-bush-of-2016/
If that's true, all the Republicans need is a better candidate than Al Gore. They have at least five.
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Where are they hiding them?
Promising "transparency" for presidential campaigns is like promising "change, safety, prosperity, hope, leadership, reform"... just empty words. No supporter takes any of that seriously. The only ones who care about your campaign slogans are your opponents, but only so they can use it as fodder to call out your "broken promises."
I remembered there being a truckload of Republican Candidates in 2008 since it was so wide open (due to Cheney not running), but McCain did ultimately Hulk-Smash the primaries.
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For many of the same reasons Clinton is going to dominate this time.
First and foremost...McCain had a campaign apparatus already built, having run heavily against Bush, just like Clinton has from being Obama's top competitor. That means there is an automatic connection to money supporters, volunteer campaigners, and voters.
Secondly, there is the very real process of resume building.
McCain's resume was built on "I told you so". The Republicans were absolutely reeling from the consequences of 'nominate a governor and we can just put in some sort of foreign policy advice team around him'. McCain was the guy who had stood against that eight years before with his war service and senate foreign policy involvement. So his resume fit the times.
Clinton's resume gap when she ran against Obama was that all she really had was 'short term senator'. That's all he had as well, so it was a wash, but there is little doubt that former Secretary of State Clinton would have handily defeated the junior first term Senator from Illinois. She has done what she needed to do to make herself a very formidable candidate.
Third, Americans love tenacity. The candidate that takes one to the nose and comes back swinging is always a favorite. Look at Romney. There was absolutely nothing good to be said for that guy other than 'he tries hard and he sure has hung in there', and he got nominated.
One of my favourite 2008 Republican primary memories is how much all my Republican friends absolutely hated John McCain for the whole primary season... Hannity hated him, Rush hated him, Boortz hated him, Savage hated him... Michael Medved was about the only one I remember who was defending McCain (and I consumed a ton of Conservative media in those days.)
Anyway, after McCain got nominated they all like him, and I asked a few of them "I thought you hated McCain?!? What gives?
" They all gave a similar answer, but one guy was the best... He sort of looked at me with this dazed glare, as if I had just told him that the 'Seattle Patriot Packers had just won the world football series with a grand slam', almost like I had spoken to him in English but with words strung together in some nonsensical mish-mash. It took him a couple seconds to respond while he thought about it, and then he said...
"You know, you're right, I did hate him, I really hated him... But I can't remember why"
So then I reminded him why he and all conservatives hated McCain. "Because of immigration" I said.
He instantly got this look, like I had smacked him across his face with an ice cold soaking wet salmon filet
and, now out of his daze he frowned angrily as if finding out someone had just stolen his car and he said "Oh yeah! I forgot about that!"
Then an interesting thing happened... The dazed look washed back over his face, he sighed and said "Oh well, can't do anything about that now"
And I had a similar experience with every one of my conservative friends.
Anyway, after McCain got nominated they all like him, and I asked a few of them "I thought you hated McCain?!? What gives?
" They all gave a similar answer, but one guy was the best... He sort of looked at me with this dazed glare, as if I had just told him that the 'Seattle Patriot Packers had just won the world football series with a grand slam', almost like I had spoken to him in English but with words strung together in some nonsensical mish-mash. It took him a couple seconds to respond while he thought about it, and then he said..."You know, you're right, I did hate him, I really hated him... But I can't remember why"
So then I reminded him why he and all conservatives hated McCain. "Because of immigration" I said.
He instantly got this look, like I had smacked him across his face with an ice cold soaking wet salmon filet
and, now out of his daze he frowned angrily as if finding out someone had just stolen his car and he said "Oh yeah! I forgot about that!"Then an interesting thing happened... The dazed look washed back over his face, he sighed and said "Oh well, can't do anything about that now"
And I had a similar experience with every one of my conservative friends.
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