Jordan Peterson

[Kyriakos]

So your research into Kafka now makes you a qualified practitioner on the field of psychology and psychiatry? Color me impressed.

Colour me equally impressed that you keep on trolling

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Well, a symbol you don't know can easily come across as silly too. I am sure it won't take you long to google psychiatry and speech, and find info on this, cause it is a well-known view and in practice - in fact it is one of the main practices in that field. In this case, indeed, the unknown symbol is perfectly established and known elsewhere.

Okay I'll just google "accuracy of IQ estimates based on an assessment of a limited sample of public speaking videos by an unqualified examiner" and see what amazing results I find.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Oh you're right. The first couple of hits state that this is widely considered to be more accurate than formal IQ testing. I withdraw my objection.

 

[Yeekim]

Colour me equally impressed that you keep on trolling

I'm trolling? You made this entire thread based on your supposed ability to establish someone's IQ relying on your assessment of a couple YT videos and I'm not allowed to question your expertise/credentials?

 

[inthesomeday]

His IQ doesn’t even matter, he’s still a big transphobic crypto fascist dingus

 

[Micheal Corvinus]

Peterson isn't a problem. People who have gone far left think he's a problem because Peterson is what the left would be if they adopted reasonable positions that they could back up with a rational argument, but since they can't Peterson cuts them off at the knees and they get all testy - as others have pointed out Peterson self-identifies as a liberal. He's probably voted left most of his life.

 

[Kyriakos]

Oh you're right. The first couple of hits state that this is widely considered to be more accurate than formal IQ testing. I withdraw my objection.

That is good. Also you should note we aren't in a court or other formal setting. But that plays no role in the grand scheme of things; all's good. Afterall its a thing with me: i do often forget to bring my thesis papers when i post stuff here. Naughty, but oh well, there is worse.

 

[El_Machinae]

Actually, darnit. The more stuff I listen to by Peterson, the better I'm liking him. I'm starting to see why his ideological opponenets hate him so badly. He speaks effectively, and that's the most cardinal sin. Fire the tongs!

Like I said, the main problem with him is that the fascists like him.

 

[Lexicus]

Like I said, the main problem with him is that the fascists like him.

So you consider his bleating pronouncements about "cultural Marxism" and "postmodernism" to be basically accurate, or at least not a problem?

 

[Robo-Star]

Like I said, the main problem with him is that the fascists like him.

So you consider his bleating pronouncements about "cultural Marxism" and "postmodernism" to be basically accurate, or at least not a problem?

Not as significant a problem as the fascists liking him, at least.

 

[Lexicus]

But you realize that's why fascists like him, right? Like, the fact that fascists like him is not this weird inexplicable thing. Fascists like him because his brand is specifically directed at them. Even if Peterson himself is not one of them, you know what they say about growing to fit the mask...

 

[El_Machinae]

So you consider his bleating pronouncements about "cultural Marxism" and "postmodernism" to be basically accurate, or at least not a problem?

I don't consider it to be accurate.

 

[Micheal Corvinus]

But you realize that's why fascists like him, right? Like, the fact that fascists like him is not this weird inexplicable thing. Fascists like him because his brand is specifically directed at them. Even if Peterson himself is not one of them, you know what they say about growing to fit the mask...

I'm tying to understand how you're able to say that Peterson, who self-identifies as a liberal, who believes in the all of the fundamental foundations of liberalism has crafted his message to appeal to fascists. To myself, and to many others I presume, that just doesn't make any logical sense.

 

[inthesomeday]

Do you know what cultural Marxism actually means? It’s the same thing “globalists” has come to mean. It’s a four letter word that starts with a J and rhymes with lose.

 

[Lexicus]

I don't consider it to be accurate. I guess I have been living in the world of the Religious Right being so terrified of universities that it's just same-old, same-old to me. Don't get me wrong, the alt-right scares me to treat them like a legitimate threat. And yeah, fascists like him. But that's the major problem. He's the new person telling them what they want to hear.

I guess I just find it odd that you don't seem to think the fact that he is telling fascists what they want to hear is a problem, distinct from "fascists like him."

Do you know what cultural Marxism actually means? It’s the same thing “globalists” has come to mean. It’s a four letter word that starts with a J and rhymes with lose.

"European-style socialists"

 

[Micheal Corvinus]

Do you know what cultural Marxism actually means? It’s the same thing “globalists” has come to mean. It’s a four letter word that starts with a J and rhymes with lose.

Those are both somewhat ambiguous terms, but I have a general idea of what they mean. I have a hunch that it's really you who doesn't know what they mean, so I'd be interested in hearing your take on it and you'll have to be more specific than "J-lose."

 

[El_Machinae]

I guess I just find it odd that you don't seem to think the fact that he is telling fascists what they want to hear is a problem, distinct from "fascists like him."

I never said that's not a problem. I said it's the biggest problem.

Tell you what, begin the next (across the aisle) conversation you have about Peterson using my line. It instantly creates the cognitive space in your discussion to lead into a specific critique of this issue. It diffuses the defensiveness that the normal acerbity triggers. The man has a series of useful things to say. And a series of positions that are (at least) worthy of either discussing or countering. By specifically going after the actual issue with his position, instead of broad-scope condemnation, you're able to distinguish whatever he's saying that the fascists like compared to the things he's saying that your friend enjoyed.

Many ideologues will have specific errors they make, and this will create vitriolic cross-aisle judgements. By being able to efficiently cut to the criticism, instead of cross-poisoning the conversation, the chaff falls from the wheat a lot more easily.

 

[Lexicus]

I never said that's not a problem. I said it's the biggest problem.

Fair enough - I'll take your word for it. As I said above, I think that fascists like him because of the content of his talks or whatever it is that he does, so I don't see "fascists like him" as a problem from the other problems I have with him.

The man has a series of useful things to say.

That thing that (I think?) @Hygro posted a while back that was an interesting answer to the question "why do I find small talk so boring?"

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I'm tying to understand how you're able to say that Peterson, who self-identifies as a liberal, who believes in the all of the fundamental foundations of liberalism has crafted his message to appeal to fascists. To myself, and to many others I presume, that just doesn't make any logical sense.

If you understand that "fascist" is defined to be anyone who isn't on the far left, you'll find that it suddenly makes sense.

 

[inthesomeday]

Those are both somewhat ambiguous terms, but I have a general idea of what they mean. I have a hunch that it's really you who doesn't know what they mean, so I'd be interested in hearing your take on it and you'll have to be more specific than "J-lose."

Cultural Marxism, and Globalists as used today by the far-right (Peterson included), are dog whistles for antisemitism