I don't remember exactly how they were attached to one another, but it was at waist-level.
I don't know. It was maybe only a single class, so probably 2 adults.
I don't know. It was maybe only a single class, so probably 2 adults.
Kids on leashes
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Taking my lunch break in Bryant Park and saw a toddler on a leash stumbling by. What do you think of such developments? Would you put your kid on a leash? Were you ever leashed in your early years?
I wonder the long-term psychological implications.
You probably came across a BDSM family.
Shouldn't that be illegal anyway? The kid can't consent
SS-18 ICBM
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If someone asked me for an example of Western degeneracy, I might point to this practice.
It's child abuse and just downright lazy parenting.
No, because leashes are for pets. Children are not pets.
No, because my parents treated me and my brother like human beings, not like we were the family dog.
Well there seems to be an increase in the popularity of bondage fetishes. Someone should do a study to see if there is a correlation between those who were leashed as children and those who like to take the "sub" role in BDSM play.
On a more serious note, people now do seem to be less independent in their actions and thoughts and I wonder if parents constantly tethering their children to them has some role to play in that.
civver_764
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It's no more child abuse than strollers or car seats. Actually it allows for more freedom than those things.
Apparently they're for children too.
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Looks like we got ourselves an edgelord here.
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How is that edgy? 
civver_764
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Just to be clear, I have no problem with car seats, strollers, or kiddie leashes. I was just pointing out to Commodore that if he considers kiddie leashes child abuse he would also have to consider strollers and car seats child abuse, doubly so since they restrict the child's movement even more.
Wrong. Strollers allow for convenient transport of the child and all the assorted supplies one needs to take care of the child in public. Car seats are a safety measure to ensure the child doesn't die in a car accident since they are much more vulnerable than an adult human.
Leashes are abuse though, because what do you think that is going to do to a child psychologically when they see dogs on leashes too? It puts the child on the same level as a domesticated animal.
This post makes me suspect you aren't a parent.
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Ehh...not really buying that. I don't think the kid is gonna care either way whether they're restrained by a stroller or a leash. They might even think its cool and fun to be like a dog.
Well you're wrong about that, I have a 2 year old daughter. Personally I use a stroller.
That's the problem. A child shouldn't be identifying with a dog, a child should be identifying with other humans.
The whole leash thing just reeks of neglect as well. Most parents I see that do have their children on a leash seem to be doing it so they don't have to pay attention to their child and go on chatting on the phone or losing themselves in whatever self-absorbing activity they are doing at the moment without having to actually keep track of where their child is or what they are doing. If you are going to let your child walk around, then let them walk around without having a damn tether attached to them and take responsibility as a parent and keep track of them to make sure they don't wander off. It's not really that hard to keep track of children as long as you have even the slightest bit of situational awareness. That's the point where you have to take command and use your authority as a parent to keep your kids in your line of sight at all times. It's stressful, sure, but it's not hard. My wife and I have been doing it for five years now and we never needed a leash. We also got rid of the stroller when she was around 2 or 3 and had her walk everywhere with us.
Well congratulations on treating your child like a human and not like a pet or an inconvenient piece of luggage.
Which I think is another thing fueling this whole leash trend. People having children now seem to think of their children as more of an inconvenience than as flesh and blood members of their family. And to any parent that thinks that way I have this to say: You are the one who brought that "inconvenient" child into this world. Your kid didn't ask to be born, you forced life upon him/her and now you have to pretty much be their butler and servant until they are old enough to care for themselves. Don't like it, should've kept it in your pants then.
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Kind of sounds like you don't have much respect for pets to me...
Quite the contrary. I just don't see them as being on the same "level" as humans. We had an English bulldog who died a few years ago and I loved her a lot. However, as much as I loved that dog, I would never put its needs above the needs of the human members of my family.
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Or much experience with young children. They are basically lower primates, up to a certain age.
There's really no comparison between human children and cats. Human children are in diapers for at least 2 years. Cats are litter trained by the time they're 6 weeks old.
I'd rather clean 10 litter boxes than change one diaper (and yeah, I have changed diapers... that's why I decided to stop accepting babysitting jobs unless the kids were all housebroken).
I'd rather clean 10 litter boxes than change one diaper (and yeah, I have changed diapers... that's why I decided to stop accepting babysitting jobs unless the kids were all housebroken).
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No but I'm sure you didn't put it on a leash (assuming you did so) as a sign of ownership and domination over it. It was probably to keep it under control and keep it safe. Both things you'd presumably want to do with a child also.
We used leashes because no matter how well trained a dog may be, there is still an element of unpredictability to their behavior and you never know what might provoke them to act aggressively toward a person or another animal. Children tend to not have that element of unpredictability to their behavior. Children can also be controlled with voice commands, whereas even the most well-trained dogs don't always listen to their owner's voice commands.
In short, we use leashes for dogs because that is the most effective way to control their movement and behavior in public. Parents who use leashes for their children do so because they are lazy pieces of crap who don't want to have to put in the effort of actually paying attention to their child. They would rather just tie a rope to them and go about their day, all the while lying to themselves that they are a responsible parent.
I think you're overreacting to this. Changing diapers isn't bad at all, especially when it's your own kids. That may have been your problem now that I think about it because I don't have an issue with changing my own kids, but absolutely cannot bring myself to change someone elses kid.
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Well... there doesn't seem much wiggle room for discussion there. I'm heartened by the fact that so far you seem to be the only person in the thread that's had such a strong reaction though.
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