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King of the World #11: Darius I
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Kev
Hired Goon
Nice job and fun writeup to read. I have to think you can get domination without resorting to a push to the Americas - you must be fairly close now. It would be my preference to read and see, but if you have had enough and want to end things quickly I could hardly argue. You've obviously put a great deal into this game already.
I would definitely make some trades with Hannibal, but perhaps you can find a way to get Constitution from another place first as I think Hannibal already has Democracy. The SOL on your map would be great.
Boudica is already free from JC, so you can likely make peace with her. Perhaps she'll give you something good for doing so (that could be interpreted badly). Might be better to put some military to her cities to take them or to get her capitulation too.
If you are real close to domination, don't forget that there are some useless barb cities way north and that Australia seems fairly unsettled at this point.
I think Communism is a good choice for the next tech. Direct Hannibal to research Biology or something.
I'd like to see you push the Chinese off of the mainland completely and build the FP in one of their cities.
Hopefully you find a quick ending that is fun.
I would definitely make some trades with Hannibal, but perhaps you can find a way to get Constitution from another place first as I think Hannibal already has Democracy. The SOL on your map would be great.
Boudica is already free from JC, so you can likely make peace with her. Perhaps she'll give you something good for doing so (that could be interpreted badly). Might be better to put some military to her cities to take them or to get her capitulation too.
If you are real close to domination, don't forget that there are some useless barb cities way north and that Australia seems fairly unsettled at this point.
I think Communism is a good choice for the next tech. Direct Hannibal to research Biology or something.
I'd like to see you push the Chinese off of the mainland completely and build the FP in one of their cities.
Hopefully you find a quick ending that is fun.
Why is everyone pushing for domination? Do you know how big this map is? I think controlling every land tile in Eurasia and Africa would probably barely be enough, if even. With Earth maps, it's pretty much conquest or diplomacy. I'd say keep finishing off people to capitulate everyone from the mainland, send a few missionaries out, and see if you can win from that. If not (you might even be too strong for that), then either tech to a UN win, or get a good tech lead and run over the bull with modern armor.
Insanity_X
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Tokugawa says hello.
I think domination is possible by controling every tile in the Old world but that's still a big hassle. Conquest or diplomatic victory would be easier by simply vassalising every remaining civ. That also mean there is still one big war left with Sitting Bull.
r_rolo1
King of myself
I think that a game so tainted in blood would have a anticlamatic win if it ended with a diplo win.... but is surely the fastest way of winning.
IAM
Emperor
The game is essentially won regardless of the choice of victory. In my games this is the point where I can easily get bored and just not finish so I vote for the quick missionary win. If you are going domination/conquest an invasion of N. America would be interesting. Definetly Communism.
huerfanista
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AndrewN
Prince
You can definitely get a domination win without invading the Americas, I can't remember how much of Africa/Asia/Europe you need but it does workout to be most of it.
On the other had, invading the Americas shouldn't be too difficult, they are probably backwards. The rest of the world is so they should be too
On the other had, invading the Americas shouldn't be too difficult, they are probably backwards. The rest of the world is so they should be too
Whew! Okay. It's now approaching 1600, I'm finishing off the Old World, and I'm at about 45% land area, give or take. It's all housecleaning anyway, so I'm thinking about making it one final round. Is that okay, or would you rather I split it up?
Stewie0416
Who Cares?
1 massive round to end them all! Will this involve Monty or will you just steamroll through the old world? ( Although it would be nice to see a few Persians in Tenochtitlan
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Joshua368
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1 massive round to end them all! Will this involve Monty or will you just steamroll through the old world? ( Although it would be nice to see a few Persians in Tenochtitlan
There's no Monty around here, silly. Only one juicy sitting bull mass.
Shoot the Moon
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Yeah, one final round sounds good.
Korea for the next one! I want to see Australia settled
Korea for the next one! I want to see Australia settled
Stewie0416
Who Cares?
There's no Monty around here, silly. Only one juicy sitting bull mass.
DANG! THATS THE SECOND TIME I MADE THAT MISTAKE!!!
Guess my signature really fits me
Insanity_X
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isnt the next game going to be themed on a different historical Era? rather than another game with the ancient civs.
The beginning of the end saw the Persians trading knowledge with their sagacious African vassals:
Both Scientific Method and Constitution were valuable tools (though Xerxes had his doubts about the wisdom of Constitution). While Steam Power and Rifling were both dangerous military techs, Hannibal could not trade them around in a state of perpetual war.
The battle for Spain moved along quite nicely:
Iberia's rocky terrain provided natural fortification to the desperate Romans, but it was nothing that a simple application of more Cavalry couldn't remedy. Arpinum held little of use, but its production would help the war effort.
The useless city of Madras also fell:
The city was a collection of rude huts in the middle of barren desert, but the great Xerxes, in his inifinite wisom, sent out a governor to rule the place, anyway. At this point, sheer land area was more important than viability.
And that quest for land was helped immensely with the capture of Hangzhou:
Stonehenge stood obsolete, but now the very people themselves could be put to use singing the praises of the God-King. And, in the waning days of Mercantilism, every city had at least one such chorister.
The siege of Hangzhou had been long and tedious. A lack of siege meant that new Cavalry were constantly cycling to the front. As taxing as it had been for Xerxes, though, it was doubly so for Qin Shi Huang. It represented his last stand. With the city in Persian hands, he saw the writing on the wall:
Huang was allowed to live, and even govern the remnants of his meager provinces. Xerxes' true wrath was held in reserve for Caesar. The debacle in Moscow had shown that even a God-King could bleed. Rome would not be allowed to survive such an insult.
The Persian army began to trudge up the icy slopes of eastern Scandinavia:
This would be Caesar's final stronghold, and it would provide a way to tweak the isolationist Boudica as well.
Spain fell with little difficulty:
This left the thin-blooded Romans shivering along the icy banks of the North Sea. Revenge, as the saying went, is best served cold.
The fall of Harappan signaled the end of Asoka:
He was a survivor, continuing to adapt to harsher and harsher environments as Persian troops hounded him across the continent. But he was finally borought to heel and killed in a grand ceremony in Persepolis.
This attack was only part of the great mop-up of Siberia. The forces used were mostly green recruits, fresh from the Barracks, and scattered veterans. What they lacked in experience and organization, though, they more than made up for in numbers.
In 1505, Calippus was born in Egypt:
He paired up with Babylon's Great Scientist and the Great Artist already in Thebes to institute a final Golden Age.
With Golden Ages, of course, come Civics changes:
Yes, Slavery would serve us well through the end of the game. After all, what's a God-King without a shackled retinue?
Considering Boudica's wealth of technical knowledge, her mainland garrisons were awfully primitive:
Needless to say, the fall of Tolosa was more rout than battle.
In 1540, Rome's final bastion outside of the fjordlands succumbed:
As did the Bothnian city of Zhou:
Once-mighty Caesar, whose reach was felt from Portugal to Mongolia, was reduced to a pair of outposts along the Skagerrak. His dreams of empire were crushed. He had become one more skull for Xerxes' steam-throne.
Xerxes brought in a Roman emissary, longing to hear him beg:
... The God-King paused. He had sworn a blood-oath on Caesar, yes. He had more than enough troops to grind the Roman into dust, yes. But... Julius made a tempting offer. Two valuable technologies. Rome would forfeit all cities except her capital. The harrying Roman navy would be put to work against the recalcitrant Boudica, rather than simply being scuttled and sunk to the floor of the Mediterranean. And Caesar would live forever as Persia's lackey, fully aware that he had failed his people. Xerxes smiled and accepted the offer.
The Portuguese people of Navajo, meanwhile, threw themselves on the mercy of Hannibal, begging him to act as an intermediary between them and Xerxes' Immortal wrath:
The Persian king sneered, ready to make the streets flow with their treacherous blood, but, finally, he relented. Perhaps time had mellowed Xerxes, or perhaps it was his wild success against Rome, but so long as they flew a flag of the Greater Persian Empire, they could choose whatever allegiance they wanted.
Meanwhile, both Europe and Asia were busy building Transports. Xerxes was the lord of the entire supercontinent, his rule unquestioned. But, somehow, it wasn't enough. He needed more land to feel confident in his supremacy. War with the taciturn Sitting Bull was inevitable. But first, the troops would get a bit of a workout. Forces converged on Ravenna in northern Europe as a boarding station for war against England and, in Asia, it was finally time to put Tokugawa out of his misery:
The Japanese Shogun accepted the news of war with a resigned sigh. He had made a hash of things. His isolation had kept him independent, yes, but it also left him backwards and alone. Nevertheless, he was a warrior. He put on his armor, stood with his Samurai, and waited.
In the west, another island nation was wracked by war with Persia:
Xerxes had been upset at missing the Kremlin. Now it was his.
The battle for Kyoto, meanwhile, wasn't even sporting:
The city held the Great Lighthouse, which Tokugawa should have parleyed into a thriving Pacific empire, or at least tecnological parity. Ah, well.
The battle for Gergovia, at least, made for some great screenshots:
This city, on the northern tip of Scotland, with its coastal Dun on a hill, just screamed "fortress-city" to me. Sadly, once we got inside, it turned out to be just another city, frankly.
Boudica died quickly after that:
And the European troops left to hover on the edge of American waters.
The "war" against Japan also came to a rapid end:
Rather than track down Tokugawa's last island in the south Pacific, Xerxes proved himself to be a kind and generous God, and showed mercy, allowing the Japanese to capitulate. But the Pacific fleet had one more stop to make before it could head off to the New World.
Part II to follow.
Both Scientific Method and Constitution were valuable tools (though Xerxes had his doubts about the wisdom of Constitution). While Steam Power and Rifling were both dangerous military techs, Hannibal could not trade them around in a state of perpetual war.
The battle for Spain moved along quite nicely:
Iberia's rocky terrain provided natural fortification to the desperate Romans, but it was nothing that a simple application of more Cavalry couldn't remedy. Arpinum held little of use, but its production would help the war effort.
The useless city of Madras also fell:
The city was a collection of rude huts in the middle of barren desert, but the great Xerxes, in his inifinite wisom, sent out a governor to rule the place, anyway. At this point, sheer land area was more important than viability.
And that quest for land was helped immensely with the capture of Hangzhou:
Stonehenge stood obsolete, but now the very people themselves could be put to use singing the praises of the God-King. And, in the waning days of Mercantilism, every city had at least one such chorister.
The siege of Hangzhou had been long and tedious. A lack of siege meant that new Cavalry were constantly cycling to the front. As taxing as it had been for Xerxes, though, it was doubly so for Qin Shi Huang. It represented his last stand. With the city in Persian hands, he saw the writing on the wall:
Huang was allowed to live, and even govern the remnants of his meager provinces. Xerxes' true wrath was held in reserve for Caesar. The debacle in Moscow had shown that even a God-King could bleed. Rome would not be allowed to survive such an insult.
The Persian army began to trudge up the icy slopes of eastern Scandinavia:
This would be Caesar's final stronghold, and it would provide a way to tweak the isolationist Boudica as well.
Spain fell with little difficulty:
This left the thin-blooded Romans shivering along the icy banks of the North Sea. Revenge, as the saying went, is best served cold.
The fall of Harappan signaled the end of Asoka:
He was a survivor, continuing to adapt to harsher and harsher environments as Persian troops hounded him across the continent. But he was finally borought to heel and killed in a grand ceremony in Persepolis.
This attack was only part of the great mop-up of Siberia. The forces used were mostly green recruits, fresh from the Barracks, and scattered veterans. What they lacked in experience and organization, though, they more than made up for in numbers.
In 1505, Calippus was born in Egypt:
He paired up with Babylon's Great Scientist and the Great Artist already in Thebes to institute a final Golden Age.
With Golden Ages, of course, come Civics changes:
Yes, Slavery would serve us well through the end of the game. After all, what's a God-King without a shackled retinue?
Considering Boudica's wealth of technical knowledge, her mainland garrisons were awfully primitive:
Needless to say, the fall of Tolosa was more rout than battle.
In 1540, Rome's final bastion outside of the fjordlands succumbed:
As did the Bothnian city of Zhou:
Once-mighty Caesar, whose reach was felt from Portugal to Mongolia, was reduced to a pair of outposts along the Skagerrak. His dreams of empire were crushed. He had become one more skull for Xerxes' steam-throne.
Xerxes brought in a Roman emissary, longing to hear him beg:
... The God-King paused. He had sworn a blood-oath on Caesar, yes. He had more than enough troops to grind the Roman into dust, yes. But... Julius made a tempting offer. Two valuable technologies. Rome would forfeit all cities except her capital. The harrying Roman navy would be put to work against the recalcitrant Boudica, rather than simply being scuttled and sunk to the floor of the Mediterranean. And Caesar would live forever as Persia's lackey, fully aware that he had failed his people. Xerxes smiled and accepted the offer.
The Portuguese people of Navajo, meanwhile, threw themselves on the mercy of Hannibal, begging him to act as an intermediary between them and Xerxes' Immortal wrath:
The Persian king sneered, ready to make the streets flow with their treacherous blood, but, finally, he relented. Perhaps time had mellowed Xerxes, or perhaps it was his wild success against Rome, but so long as they flew a flag of the Greater Persian Empire, they could choose whatever allegiance they wanted.
Meanwhile, both Europe and Asia were busy building Transports. Xerxes was the lord of the entire supercontinent, his rule unquestioned. But, somehow, it wasn't enough. He needed more land to feel confident in his supremacy. War with the taciturn Sitting Bull was inevitable. But first, the troops would get a bit of a workout. Forces converged on Ravenna in northern Europe as a boarding station for war against England and, in Asia, it was finally time to put Tokugawa out of his misery:
The Japanese Shogun accepted the news of war with a resigned sigh. He had made a hash of things. His isolation had kept him independent, yes, but it also left him backwards and alone. Nevertheless, he was a warrior. He put on his armor, stood with his Samurai, and waited.
In the west, another island nation was wracked by war with Persia:
Xerxes had been upset at missing the Kremlin. Now it was his.
The battle for Kyoto, meanwhile, wasn't even sporting:
The city held the Great Lighthouse, which Tokugawa should have parleyed into a thriving Pacific empire, or at least tecnological parity. Ah, well.
The battle for Gergovia, at least, made for some great screenshots:
This city, on the northern tip of Scotland, with its coastal Dun on a hill, just screamed "fortress-city" to me. Sadly, once we got inside, it turned out to be just another city, frankly.
Boudica died quickly after that:
And the European troops left to hover on the edge of American waters.
The "war" against Japan also came to a rapid end:
Rather than track down Tokugawa's last island in the south Pacific, Xerxes proved himself to be a kind and generous God, and showed mercy, allowing the Japanese to capitulate. But the Pacific fleet had one more stop to make before it could head off to the New World.
Part II to follow.
Wang Kon had been a petty annoyance throughout the game. In the beginning, he gummed up the wheels of Diplomacy, setting off feuds that didn't need setting off. He allowed China to steamroll him, making Qin Shi Huang more of a threat than he should have been. Once reduced to an island nation, his constant Trireme raids were a tedious annoyance. And now, frankly, he held land that Xerxes wished to lay claim to:
Wang Kon felt secure in his island sanctuaries. After all, Persia was no sea power. Sadly, his lack of technological expertise had blinded him. With mere forges and Engineers, yes, a fleet of Galleys capable of landing a credible force on Namp'o would have taken prohibitively long to build. Persia, though, had Factories and Drydocks, and modern Transports were much more efficient than ancient Galleys. One other advantage Persia had? Guns:
Before Wang Kon could even process what was happening, his empire was in shambles, and he was locked away in the brig of a Persian Destroyer, never to be seen again:
(And, yes, I technically could have ended Tokugawa as well, but I kinda felt sorry for the guy. After all, he never did anything to hurt me)
The war against Sitting Bull, meanwhile, was finally getting underway. A few successful raids had been made against small settlements in Nova Scotia, but the first real battle occurred at Snaketown, in what we would call New England:
An intercontinental invasion of Sitting Bull is decidedly different from one on Monty. The initial city-taking is much more difficult, due to the ridiculous number of defensive promotions his garrisons get, but you don't have to live in fear of that massive stack that's inevitably going to come rolling your way. I mean, I saw a few attempts at counterattack, but they were piddly things, full of Longbows.
In 1650, an improbable discovery was made in the Egyptian desert:
How in the heck did ancient tablets give us info on Electricity? Ol' Ramesses was cavortin' with aliens, I tells ya
By 1665, the Pacific fleet showed up, bringing with it, if anything, too much siege:
I miss Cannons being able to actually kill things!
A smaller force, meanwhile, plunged into the Heart of the Amazon:
This expedition actually felt really cool. It was almost.... atmospheric. Like I was really exploring a mysterious jungle. Of course, by this point in the war, the various Airports in the Old World meant that I could continuously resupply our beachheads with fresh troops. So the game was won. Then again, the game was won a long time ago.
It was too little, too late, but I finally turned Moscow into a really cool National Park City:
Of course, it would have helped to have more Specialist buildings. Moscow just kind of turned into a troop factory after it was reclaimed from Rome...
In 1680, St. Peter, born in Thebes, took a Boeing to Mutal in order to build yet another lucrative shrine for us:
Again, too little, too late. But at this point I was just messing around until border pops won the game.
I would go on with screenshots and such, but, honestly, you seen one Infantry shooting a Longbowman in the face, you seen'em all. By 1700, the fait, as I like to say, was accompli:
Xerxes laughed. He had made his mistakes, but none could doubt him now. He was truly master of all he surveyed!
Here's a final look at the world:
The Power Graph:
Suddenly, Rome's years of military dominance just look like a blip on the radar, don't they?
And how did we do?
Pretty darn well, thanks
Thanks for folliowing! Here's the "Hit End Turn and you're done" save:
Wang Kon felt secure in his island sanctuaries. After all, Persia was no sea power. Sadly, his lack of technological expertise had blinded him. With mere forges and Engineers, yes, a fleet of Galleys capable of landing a credible force on Namp'o would have taken prohibitively long to build. Persia, though, had Factories and Drydocks, and modern Transports were much more efficient than ancient Galleys. One other advantage Persia had? Guns:
Before Wang Kon could even process what was happening, his empire was in shambles, and he was locked away in the brig of a Persian Destroyer, never to be seen again:
(And, yes, I technically could have ended Tokugawa as well, but I kinda felt sorry for the guy. After all, he never did anything to hurt me)
The war against Sitting Bull, meanwhile, was finally getting underway. A few successful raids had been made against small settlements in Nova Scotia, but the first real battle occurred at Snaketown, in what we would call New England:
An intercontinental invasion of Sitting Bull is decidedly different from one on Monty. The initial city-taking is much more difficult, due to the ridiculous number of defensive promotions his garrisons get, but you don't have to live in fear of that massive stack that's inevitably going to come rolling your way. I mean, I saw a few attempts at counterattack, but they were piddly things, full of Longbows.
In 1650, an improbable discovery was made in the Egyptian desert:
How in the heck did ancient tablets give us info on Electricity? Ol' Ramesses was cavortin' with aliens, I tells ya
By 1665, the Pacific fleet showed up, bringing with it, if anything, too much siege:
I miss Cannons being able to actually kill things!
A smaller force, meanwhile, plunged into the Heart of the Amazon:
This expedition actually felt really cool. It was almost.... atmospheric. Like I was really exploring a mysterious jungle. Of course, by this point in the war, the various Airports in the Old World meant that I could continuously resupply our beachheads with fresh troops. So the game was won. Then again, the game was won a long time ago.
It was too little, too late, but I finally turned Moscow into a really cool National Park City:
Of course, it would have helped to have more Specialist buildings. Moscow just kind of turned into a troop factory after it was reclaimed from Rome...
In 1680, St. Peter, born in Thebes, took a Boeing to Mutal in order to build yet another lucrative shrine for us:
Again, too little, too late. But at this point I was just messing around until border pops won the game.
I would go on with screenshots and such, but, honestly, you seen one Infantry shooting a Longbowman in the face, you seen'em all. By 1700, the fait, as I like to say, was accompli:
Xerxes laughed. He had made his mistakes, but none could doubt him now. He was truly master of all he surveyed!
Here's a final look at the world:
The Power Graph:
Suddenly, Rome's years of military dominance just look like a blip on the radar, don't they?
And how did we do?
Pretty darn well, thanks
Thanks for folliowing! Here's the "Hit End Turn and you're done" save:
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