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King of the World #11: Darius I

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by Neal, Mar 24, 2009.

  1. ConsoleCowboy

    ConsoleCowboy Chieftain

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    IMHO the scenario has it's pros and cons. In Neal's scenario, Persia has many rushable enemies to the east and west and since the pc doesn't start with Archery (and even if so, he would be easy prey) Neal basically starts with about 5 Cities and some extra workers.
    On the back side, every civ that isn't rushed by Neal will have lots of tiles and an advantage due to the pc-civ multipliers on research etc. In the Middle Ages, when Persias Immortals lose their oomph Neal will basically have lots of yellow-tiles, some nice but sub-par Arabian holdings, less ressources than his rivals and ... Egypt. I like Egypt. He will have to use the Nile for research and/or GPs and have the rest of yellow land build stuff. Rome, China and post-IW India will become Powerhouses if left alone.
     
  2. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    I disagree about India. India is takeable at any point of the game. The problem is taking it before China.
     
  3. huerfanista

    huerfanista Emperor

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    Rome needs some competition on this map. I'd definitely put the celts in southern France. Pericles is absolutely the wrong greek leader, it should be Alex. Peri's a total wimp who never does anything in this scenario except get pwned early by Julius. Bull needs Monty, so ditch Pacal (another wimp) and add HC to South America (with map mods so he can get into Brazil). I could go either way on Mongolia. I'm also going to experiment with adding a "visigoth" minor nation near east Germany (like TMIT's super-barb in the NC Roosevelt game).

    Shadow game update:
    Spoiler :
    1650AD: This game is effectively over. I wipe Qin off the map in 1650, so only Han, Toku, and Boudi are left outside the americas. I can cap them in about 3 turns each after I move some troops in place. Mass Media will be done in 3 turns, and I have a GE ready to build the UN in a couple of turns for a very early (for me) diplomation win. Screenshots soon.
     
  4. Jaaboo

    Jaaboo Prince

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    I played a few run throughs on Prince & Monarch (normally Noble/Prince player) and I am just blown away how much fun Persia's start is in this game. It certainly did not hurt that in the Prince game I got HBR from a hut and ran rampant over everyone with Immortals and HAs. Barracks & Stable boosted Immortals are insane - I used primarily Immortals first while I was teching worker techs before I got Archery. Needless to say once I got some floodplains under my feet, I rushed off to construction and had myself a good ol' time with elephants. :D
     
  5. CHEESE!

    CHEESE! On a long nostalgia trip

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    Tuesday is over. Where is teh update???
     
  6. Gagonite

    Gagonite Irishman

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    Its only 4 pm on Tuesday.. Neal still has 8 hours, don't rush him! :lol:

    Anyways, to spark up some discussion while we wait, has anyone ever tried a regular Earth 18 China OCC? After being 'inspired' by Neals OCC, I tried it out. Its pretty fun.

    Spoiler :
    I had to move my starting settler 1W of the marble down in southern china though, the starting position wasn't viable for long term. Real probably down there is though, no iron, no horses, no coast (though I have 2 coastal tiles in my BFC :( ) and no stone. But on the other hand, TONS OF FOOD! 1 banana, 2 rice, 1 pig, 1 deer, 1 cow, and 1 sugar, plus plenty of production in the forms of like 3 mines and a marble quarry.

    As of ~1700 AD, the world looks quite a bit different than it usually does.. I removed part of the land near Egypt to make Africa truely it's own continent, and thus, Rome, Greece, Spain, and (especially) Arabia have colonies down there. Arabia is on the top of the score chart with Cyrus :)lol:), Frederick, and.. I think Mansa Musa as his vassals. Second in score is.. lol get this: Genghis Khan. With his free access to Northern China and Korea, he's become quite the military powerhouse, with more strength than Montezuma, and also owning 4 vassals himself which include: Catherine (yea.. I know), Louis, Tokugawa, and.. forgot who else. Third is Asoka, the tech mongerer, then myself. Even though I'm an OCC, I'm in the lead with techs (this is on Monarch difficulty btw) and am working towards a space race.. though not quite there yet. My city is about size 32, with it growing every ~6 turns. Of my specialists, I have 6 engineers and 7 or 8 scientists, no other specialists atm. Also, thanks to two settled great spies and Scotland yard, I currently have the most espionage, so I can keep an eye on everyone's tech pace and I can see Cyrus', Genghis', and Catherine's cities. Not much to see in that last one as of late though, thanks to Genghis.

    Overall though, this game's been quite a bit different than my usual E18 games.. vassals are common and wars are too. The two major religions are Buddhism (Forgot who founded it) and Islam (Saladin). Isabella is Christian, and the only one at that. I'm good islamic buddies with Saladin and The Great Khan (In this game, he can actually be called that :lol:) and I'm currently the Pope, thanks to Genghis, who used his large amounts of votes to vote for me. Just need to get everyone to declare on Julius, who's at war with me.. though he's not a threat. Roman Musketmen vs. Chinese Infantry! :lol:
     
  7. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    Tueday is not over everywhere :p In here in fact it rang midnight now but the people on the wrong side of the Atlantic are still on Tuesday :D
     
  8. Neal

    Neal King of the World

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    Hey, all... I got back in town a little earlier than expected today, so I played half a round... But now I'm stuck at work. I'm pretty beat, but I'm gonna try to wrap it up and post it late tonight. If I can't manage that, it'll be up tomorrow late morning/early afternoon.

    Oh, and as a little bit of a teaser...
    Spoiler :
    The CoL slingshot somehow worked! Caesar built the Pyramids and Qin built the Temple of Artemis! Who'da thunk? We even nabbed Confucianism in Babylon! That'll be one heck of a city if we can get the shrine up.
     
  9. IAM

    IAM Emperor

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    :rockon:SWEET! Cann't wait.
     
  10. r_rolo1

    r_rolo1 King of myself

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    He just told that :p
     
  11. jamesddd

    jamesddd Chieftain

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    oh yeah, i forgot to mention, i replaced korea with mongolia, wonder which one gives qin more fits, a backwards idiot spamming units at him or a builder hogging up land
     
  12. huerfanista

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    Shadow game conclusion, 1706 diplomation win:
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    So I steamrolled Qin with cavs and cannon, wiping him off the map (Wang had voluntarily vassaled to me, and I was waiting for galleys and frigates to arrive before invading Toku, so there was nothing better to do. :lol: ) In the meantime I teched to Mass Media and built the UN in 3 turns with a GE that I had saved. Checking the UN info screens, I saw that I needed to cap either Toku or Hannibal in 5 turns to have enough votes for the diplo win when it came up. So I DOWed both of them, even though most of my army was in the far east. Han caved before I even took one of his cities, so the win was guaranteed. I capped Toku after taking both of the home island cities on the turn before the vote, so all was well.






    The final empire:


    A big key to the early win was getting the Russian production cities on line. I cranked out a gazillion cavs quickly to take out Qin. Moscow was the best of these:


    I moved the capital to Babylon after taking out Ashoka, relegating Persepolis to the role of elite unit production (it had WP, HE, and 5 settled GGs), making 19XP units. the move 1N at the start clearly leaves the city short of food, but it does enable an earlier rush. I needed it to take out Rome ASAP.


    Since I only completed assembly line just before the win, I didn't even have time to start putting factories and coal plants in. But the huge tech lead (I never faced anything better than muskets) made cavalry good enough to take 40% culture cities without seige (facing PRO longbows or muskets), only losing about 1 unit per city.


    Meanwhile, now that Neal's back, let's see what he can do with that CoL slingshot he brought home.:) I think he should use it to rex into Russia ASAP. It will block Rome and eventually unleash some production powerhouse cities, as long as he can keep Julius happy. ;)
     
  13. CHEESE!

    CHEESE! On a long nostalgia trip

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    Bah! Americans!
     
  14. Neal

    Neal King of the World

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    All right. A fairly short round, but a significant one.

    Things began with a rather nice early bonus outside of Persepolis:



    Also, the people of Mecca adopted the ways of Buddhism. Let them worship as they will, so long as they work the fields and pay tribute to me. Indeed, their quiet faith negated my need to promote civic pride through the construction of Monuments and Libraries. I set my wise men to study the ways of this simple devotion, first concentrating on simple Mysticism and then the processes of Meditation central to the Buddhist way. My people were growing restless beneath their oppressive Immortal Happiness limits. If I could turn the lessons of contemplation to my advantage, perhaps they would see reason.

    With the secrets of Priesthood in my grasp, the gilt Persian coffers, once burgeoning with the plunders of distant lands, now lay empty as the people's toils went to feeding complacent troops. Do not worry, my Immortals. Soon, you will ride again. Persepolis was to be the site of a great Oracular temple, where the wisdom of the gods themselves could be heard:



    Even the secrets of heaven, though, had their limits. I also studied the Alphabet, that I might share in the rudimentary technologies of my backwards neighbors.

    In 1000 B.C., the spirits of the heavens spoke to Xerxes:



    They taught the Persian leader new ways to rule over his people. Rigorous edicts could be enforced by Courthouses across Central Asia and Northern Africa. Corruption would be slashed as Xerxes' will could be felt at the very fringes of his empire.

    In Babylon, the old ruling class of lawmakers studied the Code of Xerxes and saw in it the spark of the divine:



    So the Persian empire was a land of two religions: the commoners' quest for solace and peace in the provinces, and the elites' rigorous adherence to the law. Outside the borders, though, the Greek ways of Judaism surrounded the empire, so, not yet ready to defy the world, Xerxes bit his tongue, refusing to officially recognize any faith as true.

    Great Caesar, the one world leader for whom Xerxes felt some measure of repect, came to the Persian court accompanied by a regiment of well-trained, but poorly-equipped troops. He offered to help Persia's quest for a universal Alphabet in exchange for their knowledge of metallurgy:



    Knowing that this meant that the disciplined people of Rome would soon be the scourge of Europa, Xerxes agreed with a heavy, solemn heart. The Persian economy was still hemorrhaging funds, and only a unified Currency could save it.

    Xerxes, though, was as crafty as he was all-powerful. If Rome were to learn the secrets of Iron Working, then, well, so was Athens:



    This seemingly charitable deal gave Pericles the might he would need to hold Caesar at bay.

    In 825 B.C., the Immortals rode again, this time scourging the Black Sea coasts and bringing its inhabitants under Persian rule:





    Xerxes was, perhaps, not yet ready to extend that far, but he could not allow the cities to fall to the Greeks or the hated Romans.

    In 650 B.C., those far-off settlements brought interesting news:



    First, both had Judaism. This could be a tremendous opportunity for us. The Greek faith is absurd, but if we were to fly its banner, it would be a welcome sign of solidarity with our neighbors.

    Secondly, Pericles is sending Settlers into the Black Sea region. The quick-striking Immortals could surely flense them and send a message to Pericles, but we are trying to court him, and time spent squabbling with Greece is time that Rome can expand unchecked. Indeed, purple borders can already be seen north of Odessa. But if we were to allow the frivolous Greeks to settle too close to our Black Sea conquests, their wanton culture could quickly win over our austere peasants. Xerxes donned his thinkin' chains and pondered...

    He looked over a map of Persia:



    Nine cities, all struggling beneath the whip, but all producing valuable infrastructure and military for the years ahead.

    The secrets of the elders:



    Rome is indeed dangerous. Caesar, with his massive domain, has the ability to both build and research unchecked. We must sour relations between him and Pericles.

    Sadly, at this point everyone is Cautious with us. Would Judaism change that? What of war with Greece? Short term, it makes sense, but can we justify it long term? And what of our Settler? I feel it should go to the isthmus with the Copper and the Deer to better integrate our Black Sea holdings with the empire proper. Xerxes turned to his advisors. What did they think?

    Here's the save.
     
  15. IAM

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    I wouldn't smite the Greeks just yet. Let Rome dull their swords on them. And yes send that settler out to the Black Sea. I would be a lot more comfortable with some scouting the the East.
     
  16. Rubbaduck

    Rubbaduck Artificial waterfowl

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    Kill Pericles, kill Ceasar, laugh like an evil maniac and win the game :)
     
  17. royal62184

    royal62184 Prince

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    Wow you are doing awesome. Good teching and all that war. What difficulty is this again? :) GJ either way.
     
  18. Joshua368

    Joshua368 Warmongering builder

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    Seeing warriors guarding that barb city was a sore reminder that it isn't fully immortal difficulty. The early tech bonuses the AI and barbs get are huge and don't apply on this scenario. It's some crazy Immortal/Prince hybrid.
     
  19. royal62184

    royal62184 Prince

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    Ah I see. I guess I never realized that when watching this series. I assume the AI still gets the 20% discount (immortal) and additional bonuses per era tho right?
     
  20. Bowfish

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    Adopt Judaism, by all means. That makes diplomacy a tad bit easier and delays a possible attack for few centuries at least. Enough time for you to turn India into Xerxeanity.
     

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