Korean War Statistics

[SunTzu]

<u>Country</u> <u>Troops</u>
Australia 2.282
Belgium 900
Canada 6.146
Colombia 1.068
Ethopia 1.271
France 1.119
Greece 1.263
Holland 819
Luxembourg 44
New Zealand 1.385
Philippines 1.496
South Africa 826
South Korea 590.911
Thailand 1.204
Turkey 5.453
United Kingdom 14.198
United States 302.483


Looks like Luxembourg sent its whole army to the war ;-)


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[shadowdale]

Not quite but more like one out of 10!!!!
Luxembourg has a very highly trained army of about 400 - each going through roughly the same training as other countries Special Forces - So I don't think they would have any problem invading Denmark with those 400 men!!!

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[willemvanoranje]

We sent troops to Korea?! Don't tell me we sent troops to Vietnam as well! I'm so ashamed.....

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[shadowdale]

Don't be Kevin - the Korean war and the Vietnam war were two very different wars.

The Korean war started as a UN war against the aggressor and oppressor, North Korea, in the defense of South Korea - that it later became a much more political war is an entirely different matter!!!

And the Vietnam war - well I'm not even gonna make a comment about the Vietnam war because all the Americans at CFC know more about it than me, and probably disagree on most of what they know so let's not start a discussion about it ......

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[Az]

Greece lost 51 men...

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[willemvanoranje]

Hmmmmm. Ok, shad. The way you tell me it is pretty allright. But I would be ashamed if we sent troops to 'nam.

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[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Az:
Greece lost 51 men...

There is a movie staring Victor Mature about a reconnaissance mission in Korea by a Greek Infantry Company & a Platoon of US combat Engineers.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Gooble searched it:
"The Glory Brigade"

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Whoa! We actually had an army back then <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0> At least one to speak of <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>



[This message has been edited by Cunobelin Of Hippo (edited August 31, 2001).]

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by willemvanoranje:
Hmmmmm. Ok, shad. The way you tell me it is pretty allright. But I would be ashamed if we sent troops to 'nam.

Why be ashamed of sending troops to Vietnam? Was it that much different than the Korean War really? It was still a product of the cold war - Soviet supported communists in the North against the American supported "so called democracy" in the South.

The people of Vietnam live under control of a brutal dictatorship today... The Vietnam War was started mostly due to political reasons and you'd be a fool to think that the American government ACTUALLY cared about the well being of the South Vietnamese people. (Wars get started over far larger things then the welfare of individual PEOPLE - however it serves as a good rallying cry to convince your own country that it's the "right thing to do"). HOWEVER maybe if the Communists could have been defeated the people of South Vietnam would live under a democracy similar to that which the people of South Korea enjoy today. Doesn't matter WHY the US got involved - the end result would have been the same.

Maybe it wasn't worth throwing away 58,000 American lives... However regardless of how cynical I become about America and it's politicians - I have a hard time believeing that the cause being fought for was actually WRONG. Freedom is never wrong.

As another note... "'Nam" is really a term used only by the men that fought there. Since you seem so ashamed of their sacrifices and valour you really have no right to use it. I'm not getting mad here - the Vietnam War is a complicated issue that many don't fully understand (I have more understanding of it than most people but not as much as some Americans in this forum I'm sure). However "Nam" is used almost exclusively by those that served in the jungles of South East Asia and to use it here shows a little disrespect. It's sort of a word that bonds those men together - due to the fact that they shared that common experience - THEY earned through their blood and tears the right to say NAM.

[This message has been edited by RedWolf (edited August 31, 2001).]

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Well, one of the reasons for the Vietnan war became clear , when more were killed in the first two years of "peace" than in the previous 15 years of war.

 

[RedWolf]

Lefty's right.

I've heard it estimated that the communists massacred over a million South Vietnamese after Saigon fell in 1975.

And during the Tet Offensive a few major cities fell to the communist attack. The North Vietnamese expected to find a population that would willingly embrace their presence - this however turned out to be false. When the Americans liberated these cities they found that those opposing the communists had been slughtered.

I'm not claiming that the South Vietnamese regime by any means resembled the type of democracy that we as North Americans enjoy today (or even then) however the Communist regime was certainly no better at the time - probably worse. And it's very possible that American influence would have caused the Southern regime to loosen it's hold on the people while moving towards a modern democracy.

 

[willemvanoranje]

Why be ashamed of sending troops to Vietnam? Was it that much different than the Korean War really?

Listen, the war over there was with a good cause, but what the Amies (and the VC as well!) did there in that war is unacceptable. The things Israel is doing to innocent (mind!) Palestinians is nothing compared to killing civilians like this:

What happened there is wrong. And you'll probably tell me things like 'they did it' and 'no, you're wrong because.....', but my opinion will hold.

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[RedWolf]

Originally posted by willemvanoranje:
Listen, the war over there was with a good cause, but what the Amies (and the VC as well!) did there in that war is unacceptable. The things Israel is doing to innocent (mind!) Palestinians is nothing compared to killing civilians like this: <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/flamethrower.gif" border=0><IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/supersaiyan.gif" border=0>
What happened there is wrong. And you'll probably tell me things like 'they did it' and 'no, you're wrong because.....', but my opinion will hold.
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What did they do to civilians? I'm curious to know exactly. Were there atrocities committed by both sides? Yes - absolutely.

However that happens in EVERY war. There are bad people in the military just the same as there's bad people in society - armies are microcosms of the society that creates them.

However this doesn't make Vietnam MORE wrong than any other war. We fire bombed Japanese cities during the second world war for instance. The worst part was: This wasn't done by rogue undisciplined troops (which is who perpetrated the Mi Lei Massacre in Vietnam)... This was POLICY created and planned by the leaders of our country.

So tell me exactly what makes Vietnam WORSE than any other war we have ever fought?

 

[SunTzu]

Hah, Redwolf, you and I finally agree on something

Sending troops to vietnam.

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[willemvanoranje]

I never said Vietnam was worse than an other war, though I think Korea was a more *gentil* (as far as you can call war that way) war than Vietnam. I just think that the Netherlands should never participate in any war, only in case of an invasion of Holland or UN missions (Macedonia, Eritrea).

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[RedWolf]

Make no mistake... the Korean war was a brutal bloody war... every bit as horrible as Vietnam.

You know how they say that Vietnam vets hear the helicopters in their post traumatic stress flashbacks? Do you know what Korean vets hear in their nightmares?

Bugles... The communists used bugles as they attacked in human suicide waves - hoping to overrun the Allied defenses purely though overwhelming numbers.

An American unit in the 1st Cavalry division was ordered to fire on a large group of civilians during this war... they obeyed those illegal orders which led to a bloody massacre every bit as horrible as that which happened in Vietnam. War is terrible... Korea was no better than any of the others.

If find it ironic that you believe in this theory of military isolationism for Holland... Keep in mind that it's only because other country's youth laid down their lives that your country is in fact free today.

Originally posted by willemvanoranje:
I never said Vietnam was worse than an other war, though I think Korea was a more *gentil* (as far as you can call war that way) war than Vietnam. I just think that the Netherlands should never participate in any war, only in case of an invasion of Holland or UN missions (Macedonia, Eritrea).

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by SunTzu:
Hah, Redwolf, you and I finally agree on something <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0> Sending troops to vietnam. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0>

Oh SWEET JESUS! I agree with Sun Tzu about something?

In all seriousness though... I'm not sure how i feel about the Vietnam War.

On one hand - I absolutely respect the American soldiers that made that sacrifice... There are stories of courage and heroism from that war that will literally bring tears to your eyes.

I even believe in what an American victory would have accomplished.

HOWEVER.. on an intellectual level i realize that the American government cared not at all for the South Vietnamese.. and that their goals were more political... driven by an irrational fear of the spread of communism in Asia. (the Dominoe effect)

And what it comes down to is this - I personally would not have felt obligated to throw away my life for it. And I don't think it was worth throwing away 58,000 American lives either - many against their will. Not for a country that was so corrupt that they wouldn't even fight for themselves (wouldn't AND couldn't)

Most of the men in Vietnam cared very little for the politics involved.. like soldiers everywhere since the beginning of time they fought for each OTHER... THAT was their cause.

 

[Romper-Stomper]

That's how it is, RedWolf, all wars are started over either economy, or polotics. Why did we go to war with Saddam Hussein? For the oil in Kuwait.

 

[Warlord56]

You forgot to mention China an dNorth Korea and that China lost more men than North Korea
(sorry, I don't know exact numbers)