KRYS03 - Deity Sumerians - C3C

[Kuningas]

0 - Preturn
Some MM --> gpt increased +13.
We don't need walls in every city.

1 - 260ad
Braga Harbor ->Barracks
Win: 5/5 sword vs 4/4 longbow
When we have signed MA with Hittites vs Portugal?
We would get Polytheism in peace treaty.

Win: 3/3 longbow vs 4/4 Enkidu and promote to Elite. Dutch completed Leonardo's Workshop in Utrecht
2 - 270ad
Marad sword ->sword
Kutha sword ->sword
Win: 5/5 sword vs 3/3 spear
Win: 5/5 sword vs 4/4 longbow
I'll target utrecht. Swords moving to position.

lost: 2, longbow vs 4/4 Enkidus. win: longbow vs 3/5 sword.
3 - 280ad
Ur sword ->Enkidu
Kisurra sword ->sword
Der sword ->sword
Win: 4/4 sword vs 2/4 longbow

win: 2/4 longbow vs 4/4 sword.
4 - 290ad
Ur Enkidu ->Enkidu
Win: 4/5 sword vs 4/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow

lost: 3/3 Crusader vs 4/4 sword.
5 - 300ad
Ur Enkidu ->sword
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 Crusader

Dutch unconnected our second iron source. Lost: 3, swords vs longbows. Hittites singed peace treaty with Dutch. Well we aren't only ones with damaged reputation.
6 - 310ad
Marad sword ->sword
Der sword ->sword
Anshan barracks ->sword
Nagsu Barracks ->sword
win: 4/4 sword vs 2/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 1/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/4 longbow
Due war weariness lux rate to 30%.

lost: 3/3 longbow vs 4/4 sword.
7 - 320ad
Ur sword ->sword
Lagos walls->Library
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
Utrecht captured.
win: 3/5 sword vs 3/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
win: 3/4 sword vs 3/4 longbow
Eindhoven captured.
8 wins in a round

lost: 4/4 longbow vs 5/5 sword.
8 - 330ad
Kisurra sword ->sword
Braga Barracks ->Enkidu
Win: 3/4 sword vs 1/4 longbow
lost: 5/5 sword vs 4/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow

9 - 340ad
Der sword ->sword
Kutallu Barracks ->sword
win: 3/4 sword vs 3/3 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow

lost: 4/4 longbow vs 2/4 sword. I lost our Galley

10 - 350ad
Ur sword ->sword
Marad sword ->sword
win: 5/5 sword vs 3/3 Crusader
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/4 longbow and promote to elite
lost: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 spear
win: 3/3 enkidu vs 1/4 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 spear

Portugal: Peace treaty and 284 gold for PT and Currency.

There isn't reason to stop war. Amsterdam (Pyramids+Glib) will be ours sooner or later.

the save

 

[Greebley]

Thats right. My reason for fighting potugal got deleted when wordpad died on me (I wonder if I hit ALT-F4?).

The only way we could afford to ally the Hittites vs the Dutch was that I needed to add the alliance vs Portugal to afford it. The Hittites were already at war.

One of the primary reasons for the MA with the Hittites, was that I really didn't want the Dutch to sign an MA with them against us. They would have cut through our western cities like butter.

I was really pleased to see how weak the Dutch were. The attack was the right call. They had really expended troops on the Portuguese war, and I think the Hittites got much of their existing army to the west.

I agree completely - Get the pyramids and GLib and don't make peace until we do! We can catch up AND have our towns grow faster. We pretty much need it to catch up in tech.

Krys, I wouldn't stop the war even for war weariness until Amsterdam is ours. Even if all our cash is going to Lux, this is not wasted if we get the GLib.

 

[kryszcztov]

Yes the Dutch seem quite weak, though they have many cities left... I think Greebley made the good decision at the right moment. But I just wonder how come we kill so many units (longbows and spears) without capturing many cities at the same time ? Are some of these units Portuguese ones ?

Now I agree : we need to crush the Dutch once for all ! This will be our easiest way to do it : swordsmen against spearmen !! Because capturing the GL before WE get Education will give us all the techs we lack, getting to Amsterdam is the thing to achieve in this war.


@ Teknoice : you're up !!! I somewhat doubt you'll be able to play this game again, but this is your last chance. It seems you're experiencing problems with your computer or RL... In 24 hours I'm up.

 

[Greebley]

The battles aren't anything odd. Those are the units the Dutch make each round and sends at us. As you mention they still have cities building units and are weakened, but not dead. Advancement toward enemy cities will not be fast - not with us owning only speed one units and enemy longbows coming at us every turn. There were also pillaging spearmen being sent into our lands to deal with as well. I felt Kuningas made good progress on his turn.

Portugal was already totally out of the picture on my turn. They had two cities that we couldn't even see (and were probably fishing villages at that). I know their capitol had fallen already. I never saw a unit of theirs.

[Edit: One more thing we might want to do is to build some more Enkidu warriors. They can cover our sword stacks and get killed instead of swords, then the Dutch are killing 10 shield units, while we are killing 40 shield longbows back (24 with the AI discount). This is an especially good situation for it as we have no fast units to be slowed down by our Enkidu and our defending Enkidu is 1/2 price of normal spear. Remember also that no Enkidu is a waste as they upgrade to Pikes.]

 

[kryszcztov]

I have just lost my post, and I don't ****ing want to rewrite it... OK for what you said, Greebley (again, I had written detailed comments).

The roster :
kryszcztov (up now)
Greebley
Kuningas (just played)

Teknoice out. Any lurker welcome. Again I had written detailed comments here.

Got it.

 

[Kuningas]

All battle wins were vs Dutch's military. They sent regularly spears to pillage roads.

Before capturing GLib, we need to have more contacts. We could send suicide galleys, and wait for AI to research Printing Press. At present Byzantines are building Copernicus, it's possible to slingshot Sumerians near to IA. IMO At the moment Dutch don't have any more contacts than us. They haven't got all possible techs from GLib.

@Greebley, I agree about Enkidus. I was confused Enkidu's low shield cost vs spear.

 

[kryszcztov]

inherited turn : I change just a few things...

IT : Theodora asks for wines, which I give her. I know that will make her more powerful, but she can bring the Hittites against us, so...
We lose 2 swordsmen.

1- 360AD : Kutha : swordsman > enkidu.
We lose 3 swordsmen.

IT : They lose 2 longbowmen.

2- 370AD : Utrecht : enkidu > enkidu.
Resistance in Eindhoven ends.
Nagsu : enkidu > enkidu.
War weariness strikes.
They lose 1 spearman and 1 longbowman.

IT : We lose 1 swordsman, they lose 1 longbowman.

3- 380AD : Sumer : library > barracks.
Kisurra revolts, my bad, Eindhoven as well.
Der : swordsman > swordsman.
We lose 3 swordsmen, they lose 4 spearmen, and we capture The Hague with our last 1hp unit !

IT : Portugal declares war on the Byzantines (good luck) !
We lose 1 archer.

4- 390AD : Marad : swordsman > swordsman.
Braga : swordsman > swordsman.

IT : We lose 1 archer and 1 swordsman, they lose 1 longbowman.

5- 400AD : Kisurra : swordsman > swordsman.
Kuara : galley > harbor.
Kutha : enkidu > enkidu.
We lose 1 swordsman, they lose 2 spearmen, and we capture Leiden.
Lux 50%.

IT : We lose 2 swordsmen and 2 workers, they lose 1 crusader.

6- 410AD : Anshan : swordsman > swordsman.
We lose 1 enkidu, they lose 4 longbowmen and 1 spearman.

IT : We lose 1 swordsman and 1 worker (captured). I'm playing ****ty tonight...
Constantinople completes the Sistine Chapel.

7- 420AD : Der : swordsman > swordsman.
Nagsu : enkidu > enkidu.
Tutub : walls > harbor.
We recapture the worker.
They lose 1 spearman.

IT : The Hittites end our RoP with them.

8- 430AD : Lagos : library > barracks.
Eindhoven revolts...
Marad : swordsman > swordsman.

9- 440AD : Ur : marketplace > swordsman.
Kutallu : swordsman > courthouse.
We lose 1 swordsman, they lose 1 spearman and 1 longbowman.

IT : We lose 2 swordsmen and 1 enkidu, and we lose Utrecht (Leonardo).

10- 450AD : Sumer : barracks > swordsman.
Kisurra : swordsman > swordsman.
Der : swordsman > swordsman.
Braga : swordsman > swordsman.
Kutha : enkidu > enkidu.
War weariness up.
They lose 1 longbowman.


I must admit that the heart wasn't there when I played. With this stupid war against the Dutch, and with RL issues, I wasn't in a great day. I hope Greebley will be able to make better turns.

the save : 450AD

 

[Greebley]

Ok, I am up.

There is a small chance I will be able to get to this tonight, but tomorrow is more likely.

 

[Greebley]

Preturn: I see why you were feeling down Krys. Our economy is pretty rotten and we are having a real strain with full WW. I raise the Lux to 60% which gets most core cities to be able to handle it. Some outlying ones are starving though.

Elite Sword attacks a longbow and loses
Vet Sword attacks a Crusader guy and win.

Hit enter

IBT: Signs of a lot of longbows.I think we need to back off and regroup. Not sure we can survive long enought to leave ,but will try. 2 die attacking the stack near Utrecht and 2 win.

460 AD:
I retreat. The Enkidu pillages to try to keep the longbows away from the swords.
I am sending my boat to meet new civs (I hope).
A spear is on our road and threatening to cut our empire in half, but there is nothing I can do about it.

Defend the Hague

IBT: Didn't work. Stack wiped out - lost 3 swords and a Enkidu. They lose a long bow.
A longbow attacks an Enkidu behind walls and loses.
A lonbow attacks an Enkidu in the mountains and wins.
Spear doesn't pillage (thank goodness)

Ur: Sword->Sword . MM Ur to build a sword every 2 turns instead of every 3.
Sumer: Enkidu ->Enkidu
Susa: Library->Catapult
Marad: Sword->Sword

470 AD:
V Sword vs R Spear loses (Spear 1hp)
V Sword (3hp) vs 1hp R Spear wins and premotes to Elite.

Switch Braga to a Enkidu
Buy World map from the Byzantines. for 427 gold

IBT:
Dutch troops advance.
Portugal demands Iron. I decline and Portugal declares war.
Sumer: Enkidu->Enkidu (forest chop)
Der: Sword->Sword
Braga riots. Sorry guys.
Nagsu: Enkidu->Enkidu

480 AD: Switch Nagsu and Kutha to workers (they are starving).
Move units around

IBT:
Longbow attacks Enkidu on a mountain and loses
Longbow attacks Sword on a mountain and wins.
Longbow attacks Enkidu on a mountain and loses
Longbow attacks town and wins.

Ur: Sword->Sword
Braga:Enkidu->Enkidu

490 AD:
V Sword vs Longbow wins.
E Sword vs Spear wins

IBT:
Longbow vs Enkdu on mountain loses
Longbow vs Sword wins
Longbow vs Enkidu on mountain loses

Sumer: Enkidu: Enkidu
Lagos: Barracks->Catapult
Kisurra: Sword->Enkidu
Anshan: Sword->Enkidu

500 AD:
Boat tries to cross to other continent.
Change Eindhoven to walls losing 7 shields (it is under attacks).

IBT: Eindhoven attacked by Badly injured longbow who still wins and we lose the town.
Troop movement

Ur: Swordsman->Swordsman
Der: Swordsman->Swordsman
Marad: Swordsman->Swordsman
Braga: Enkidu->Enkidu
Quell resist in leiden which riots.

510 AD:
V Sword vs Spear wins

I hadn't noticed this before but all our cities are 4 squares apart. This is really hurting us. Not only does that mean we are wasting a lot of land, but also cities really have troubles defending one another. I have become a real fan of placing towns 3 apart and this game is an example why. It is true this will help once we get to sanitation, but in the meantime it is not making things easy for us.

Boat makes jump to other lands. Will meet other players.

IBT: Longbow attacks sumer and wins.
Spear upsets our happiness and Sumer Riots
Kisurra: Enkidu->Enkidu
Kutha: Worker->Enkidu
Tutub: Disposes Ruler and becomes Byzantine! We are getting hammered from all sides it seems.
Bachs is built.

520 AD: Sword kills Spear

IBT:
Longbow kills sword
Longbow kills Enkidu
Longbow loses to mountain Enkidu
Longbow wins vs mountain Enkidu
Crusader loses to mountain Enkidu.
Longbow loses to mountain Enkidu (another mountain)
Longbow loses to mountain Enkidu.

We hand wine over to the Hittites when they demand it.

Ur: Sword->Sword
Lagos: Catapult->Catapult
Braga starves
Nagsu: Worker->Catapult

530 AD:
Sword loses to a longbow
Sword kills longbow
Sword kills longbow and becomes Elite
Sword kills Spear

Change Hague to the walls.

IBT:
Enkidu wins vs a spear.

Hague Builds walls
Sumer: Enkidu->Enkidu
Kisurra: Enkidu->Enkidu
Der: Swordsman->Swordsman
Braga: Enkidu->Enkidu

540 AD:
Swordsman->Longbow dies

IBT: Dutch troops move
Ur: Swordsman->Swordsman
Marad: Sword->Sword
Anshan: Enkidu->Enkidu

550 AD:
Sword vs Longbow wins
Sword vs Longbow wins
Sword vs Spear wins
Sword vs Longbow wins
Sword vs Crusader wins. We get a LEADER! on the last battle. Leader moved to Marad.

Notes:
I tried to preserver our troops to get some kind of attack force, but it was pretty painful. Our borders are all way to close. I can't let the spears pillage all our lux so I need ot attack and then lose those troops to the counter-attack.

I built up a bit of a force, but Dutch forces keep coming. The net result was negative progress - I lost a town.

Unhappiness is ridiculously high. I don't know if continuing the war, or giving up is better. This is not a situation I am good at. I feel if we could get the GLib we could go somewhere, but it is a hard proposition even with the dutch not having iron.

The one good thing was the last battle and getting the leader. Armies are nice in Conquests.

Kuningas, you might have enough forces to do something (provided the counter doesn't kill everything).

The Save

 

[Kuningas]

Got it.
I'll form 2 swords + 1 Enkidu in army.

 

[kryszcztov]

At last one good news !!! A leader ! But, Kuningas, why an enkidu inside the army ? Both the enkidu and the swordsman have 1 movement point, 2 defense points, but the swordsman has 3 attack points, which could be helpful if the army is redlined. Of course that would save 1 swordsman (I mean : 20 shields), but we're not so mad at our number of swordsmen, given our losses, are we ? I think the best way is to put our hope in the army. That could hardly make the difference in PTW, but here in C3C it seems they are really powerful ! Could one of you post all that is related to the enhanced C3C army ?

 

[Arathorn]

I'm not "one of the team", but in C3C armies:
- Get +1 movement point (so a sword army moves 2)
- Gets free pillage (costs no movement to pillage)
- Gets 1/6th of total offense added to its A and 1/6th of total defense added to its D (so an army of 2 swords + 1 endiku has 3+3+1=7 total offense, so 1 is added to its A -- it attacks with 4 strength with the swords and 2 strength with the endiku. And defends at a 3)
- 1/6th becomes 1/4th when military academy is built
- Heals much faster than old armies (don't know/remember exact details)
- Heals even in enemy territory

There may be a bit more, but that's the main gist of it.

Arathorn

 

[Kuningas]

What ever I put on army it's overpowered anyway
It has Blitz ability aswell? I won't use it to attack it protects our sword stack.

 

[Greebley]

Ya, protecting our sword stack will be huge. I really had trouble keeping the swords safe. Even if we used the army to pillage so that the dutch cannot bring units to bear on every square would be a major step forward.

For example, that nice attack force Krys left me got completely obliterated, even when I was trying to retreat it and only had 3 squares to the mountain.

 

[Kuningas]

0 - Preturn:
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 longbow

lost: 2* longbow vs Enkidu. win: 2* longbow vs Enkidu.
1 - 560AD
Lagos: catapult->Sword
win: 4/4 sword vs 1/4longbow
2 vet swords + vet Enkidu joined in army.
win: army vs 3/4 longbow

lost: 2* longbow vs Enkidu + 1* sword
2 - 570AD
Ur: sword->sword
Der: sword->sword
Kutha: Enkidu->Enkidu
win: army vs 4/5 longbow
they dropped horse+longbow in bad location,
win: 2/4 sword vs 4/4 horse

Lost: longbow vs Enkidu and sword. Win: 2* longbow vs Enkidu. They unconnected our spices. (one source left).
3 - 580AD
2nd battle of Utrecht:
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 spear
win: 5/5 sword vs 4/4 spear
win: 6/12 army vs 4/4 spear
win: 3/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
win: 3/4 sword vs 1/4 longbow
Utrecht captured.
win: 3/4 sword vs 2/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 2/4 lonbbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/4 longbow
win: 5/5* sword vs 4/4 spear

Lost: crusader vs 3/3 Enkidu. win: 3/3 longbow vs 4/4 Enkidu (in town). I'm afraid of Hittites may sneak attack us.
4 - 590AD
Ur: Sword->Sword
Kisurra: Sword->sword
Marad: Sword->sword
Embassy for Byzantines for 66 gold. They are building Shakespeare's Theater in Constantinople. Slider 4/4/2. AI has finally learned to use lux slider
Win: 5/5 sword vs 2/4 crusader
win: 3/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow
lost: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 2/4 spear
win: 3/4 sword vs 3/3 longbow and promote to elite

win: longbow vs 4/4 Enkidu on mountain.
5 - 600AD
Lagos riots.
Der: Sword->Enkidu
Braga: sword->Enkidu
Anshan: catapult->Enkidu
win: 12/12 army vs 3/3 spear
win: 10/12 army vs 4/4 longbow

lost: 3/3 longbow vs 4/4 Enkidu. Leiden lost.
6 - 610AD
Ur: sword->Sword
Sumer: sword->
Der: Enkidu->Enkidu
win: 11/13 army vs 3/3 longbow

win: longbow vs 5/5 Enkidu on mountain.
7 - 620AD
Lagos: Sword->Enkidu
Der: Enkidu->Sword
Marad: sword->sword
Braga: Enkidu->Enkidu
Kutha: Enkidu->Enkidu
win: 5/5 sword vs 4/4 spear
Don't know what Hittites is up to. I blocked road.

lost: 2* longbow vs Enkidu. Lost: Crusader vs sword. + one catapult.
8 - 630AD
Ur: Sword->Sword
Nagsu: catapult->Enkidu
Anshan: Enkidu->Enkidu
lost:4/4 sword vs 4/4 spear
Battle of Rotterdam:
lost: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 spear
win: 5/5 sword vs 3/3 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
lost: 4/4 sword vs 3/4 spear
win: 11/13 army vs 3/4 spear
win: 9/13 army vs 1/4 spear
Rotterdam captured
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 longbow
win: 4/4 Enkidu vs 3/3 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow
lost: 3/5 sword vs 3/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow
Ivory and horses connected

win: longbow vs sword on mountain. win: Crusader vs sword on mountain.
9 - 640AD
Sumer: Sword->Enkidu
Utrecht: Enkidu->Enkidu
Lagos: Enkidu->Enkidu
Braga: Enkidu->Enkidu
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow
lost: 3/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
win: 9/13 army vs 3/4 spear
win: 5/5* sword vs 4/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow

Hittites declared war on the Dutch.
10 - 650AD
WLTKD in Ur.
Ur: Sword->Sword
Sumer: Enkidu->Marketplace
Kisurra: sword->sword
Der: Sword->sword
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 spear and promote to Elite
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
Eindhoven captured
win: 4/4 sword vs 3/3 spear
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow
win: 4/4 sword vs 4/4 longbow

Embassy built on Mayans for 47 gold
WM trade with Hittites

We are doing quite well.
Lost: 9 Enkidus, 10 Swords and catapult. Killed: 30 longbows, 17 spears, 2 Crusader and horse.

It's possible to capture Amsterdam in next 10 turns cycle. If we don't capture all Dutch's cities soon we'll be surrounded by Hittites. Hittites's Knights will advance very fast. It going to be same situation as it were with Dutch.

the Save

 

[kryszcztov]

Excellent set of turns, Kuningas !!! I was really delighted to read your log. Glad to have you in the team, you seem to enjoy taking a desperate situation (well... almost !) to turn it into a winning campaign ! And kudos to Greebley for leading to this situation, with one leader as a nice gift !

Well, I don't have the map under my eyes now, but be sure I'll do my best to crush the Dutch ! I'm not so sad about this game anymore, even though there is still plenty to do ; thanks to the bugs (I suppose), the Byzantines seem to rocket through the Middle Ages...

Got it BTW.

 

[Greebley]

Great work Kuningas! I was hoping you could do something with the position I had left you.

[Edit: I meant to say Krys], try to get Amsterdam if you can. If the Hittites get it, it would be bad. I do NOT want to fight the hittites before we catch up in tech. They seem strong.

 

[kryszcztov]

Guys, I haven't played my turns, and this week is an exams week for me. Then I go on holiday until New Year roughly. So that means no Civ for me for at least 2 weeks.

I see no other solution than taking a break in this game until then. Of course I'd like to hear your point of view on this, and also if you're gonna be away for that period.

What saddens me is that when I come back, the new patch will probably be out (hey, that's good news, of course !!! ). So I don't know if this game will be able to continue. Anyway if there is enough interest in our struggle for land (in this game !) by lurkers or both of you, I won't mind no patching until this game is over. But maybe the new beta patch will allow to run this game, so...

 

[Kuningas]

Originally posted by kryszcztov
I see no other solution than taking a break in this game until then. Of course I'd like to hear your point of view on this, and also if you're gonna be away for that period.

I would had time to play. Well, I'm looking other SG then. This SG may stay open, so anybody could play 10 turns. I assume beta patch is compatible with original?

 

[Greebley]

I think it very likely the patch will work. Even if it doesn't I would still like to still finish the game however.

I am ok with putting the game on hold until the new year. Post when you get back. I will keep an eye open for that post.