Large Mafia Game: Highway to Hell [In Play]

[mechaerik]

NADBZ makes a compelling point.

Vote: Darth Caesar

 

[Nictel]

choxorn survived.

Crap.. I mean I am so happy for you!

 

[choxorn]

Although Jarrema is tempting, Darth Ceasar seems better.

Spoiler :

According to wiki, Julius was stabbed 23 times and choxorn was stabbed 34 times..... 34 -23 = 11 and Player 11 just so happens to be Ceasar. If hints are being given here, Ceasar looks pretty guilty

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NADBZ makes a compelling point.

Vote: Darth Caesar

Since when does Zack put clues into his write-ups?

FOS: NADBZ, and Vote: mechaerik for joining the silly bandwagon. You're even third on it.

 

[mechaerik]

What is FOS?

 

[Arakhor]

Finger of Suspicion. It's basically a way of saying, "I've got my eye on you".

 

[Turquoiside]

Since when does Zack put clues into his write-ups?

FOS: NADBZ, and Vote: mechaerik for joining the silly bandwagon. You're even third on it.

Admittedly, I'm not particularly familiar with how/if Zack gives out clues in his games. But specfically defining the murder weapon likely has the purpose of making the distinction between serial killer and mafia kill; and considering alignment is not revealed upon death we have few other facts to make anyone seem completely scummy.

 

[Skwink]

Since when does Zack put clues into his write-ups?

FOS: NADBZ, and Vote: mechaerik for joining the silly bandwagon. You're even third on it.

Since when does he make mafia games with a Heaven and a Hell?

 

[GamezRule]

NADBZ does have a good point, though.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

TBH, ATPG is right...
there really is no reason to believe I am innocent
But I do not think that there is a real reason to believe I am a scum, either. Voting for a tie is not a strong indicator of scumminess

I could dig up games both recent and ancient which include a scum tying up the vote in critical situations.

However, that's only a general principle. Here's why it is "generally" scummy:

1. Townies, without any reasons to think otherwise, will consider candidate A and candidate B both fine choices for a lynch. They will consider their candidate to be superior, because the vote came from a known innocent source, and thus, is more likely to be a correct vote. However, they do not know that the opposing candidate is any worse a lynch. So long as someone besides themselves are being lynched, it's not a bad lynch.

2. Mafia, on the other hand, suffer from perfect information syndrome. This leads to:

A) Sparing one's partner by tying the vote
B) Sparing a townie to try to look innocent in the eyes of that townie

Strategies like that. Mafia have more reason than townies to tie a vote.



In general, this is all true. A general principle is better than zero reasoning at this phase of the game. However, I still prefer specific reasons that apply to the player in question, because I need to see what a general principle is actually true in this case, or not. There's always exceptions.

I don't mind sharing my opinion on this, because this site hosts a lot of NOTW games and when you die in those, you can't speak. I'd love it if some people took these reasons to heart when deciding what is or is not scummy on principle or in general.

 

[Zack]

Admittedly, I'm not particularly familiar with how/if Zack gives out clues in his games. But specfically defining the murder weapon likely has the purpose of making the distinction between serial killer and mafia kill; and considering alignment is not revealed upon death we have few other facts to make anyone seem completely scummy.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=10450281&postcount=74

Do I need to make tallies, or is everyone fine just keeping track of the spreadsheet? I would like to know, since I am lazy as hell. No pun intended.

In fact, I'm putting a tally in the spreadsheet.

Laziness conquers all.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't mind the spreadsheet. It is nice and neat, easy to read.

 

[Takhisis]

No, no way, post tallies.

 

[Jarrema]

Don't abstain, Jarrema. That's dreadfully scummy.

Not necessarilly in this game, when I even do not know if getting lynched would be good or bad.

As I do not know who looks scummy for now, I do not want to trow false accussations.

 

[Magnive]

Abstain for now, until any evidence surfaces

 

[Camikaze]

FoS: everyone who has voted for Xpl.

I'm going for Jarrema to tie it up for now. I have no reason to believe he is anymore guilty than Xpl, but with the claims against Xpl being baseless, I'm inclined to go for the alternative.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Looks as though there are about 8 hours left in the round.

This is another oddly contentious vote. I would suggest that if both top candidates are innocent, the tie situation does not matter, but on the chance that one of these two are guilty, a tie situation really doesn't help us.

We need a decision. I don't see anything at all on Xpl, although that doesn't mean he's innocent or guilty, it just means there's no case. I would be perfectly happy to drop my vote for Jarrema just to make this lynch decisive. If we still think there's a case on Jarrema, there's always tomorrow. I do know that ties are dangerous as they are quite likely to be broken in the mafia's favor.

We need a decision in the next few hours. I'll be online to switch my vote.

 

[Jarrema]

Logical thing for me would be now to vote for Xpl, so there is no tie... but I will not

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Logical thing for me would be now to vote for Xpl, so there is no tie... but I will not

That's bad, IMO, for several reasons.

1. If you know you're innocent, your vote pushes the lynch towards a possible scumbag. If you leave the vote as-is, you're allowing the lynch to more easily drift in your direction, which is bad for your team if you're innocent. And, if you're guilty, too.

2. The only reason you'd act like you have no opinion on your death is to pretend as if it's no big deal if you die, which usually tells me the opposite. It's not a sophisticated way of lying, and since townies don't have a motive to be this stoic about a simple decision, it only makes me suspect you more.

3. Ignoring what is logical is just bad principle, especially when you're stating quite implicitly you don't have any reason to ignore what is an obviously correct move. That tells me you do have a reason, you just don't want to state what it is.

If I didn't know better Jarrema, I'd say you were flinching.

 

[Jarrema]

I do have 'reasons':
1. I do not know why, but it is just fun for me playing that way. Which may as well be scummy.
2. There is something after death in this game... maybe if I will try hard to be nice and I will not vote for people who did nothing bad, and if I will be honest, etc... mayba I will go to Haeven?
And I feel that voting for someone only because it can save my life is evil.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I do have 'reasons':
1. I do not know why, but it is just fun for me playing that way. Which may as well be scummy.
2. There is something after death in this game... maybe if I will try hard to be nice and I will not vote for people who did nothing bad, and if I will be honest, etc... mayba I will go to Haeven?

Oh... my... god... you're scummy.

I'm getting dangerously close to latching on and not letting go of you, man. The senses, they are tingling. There's blood in the water.