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Leader depiction elimination thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Kimiimaro, Mar 16, 2018.

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  1. isau

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    Yep, sorry, although it looks like there have been a few replies since then. Someone posted while I was posting and I think there were some other issues. Sorry :)
     
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  2. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Correcting the scores due to the confusion in the last couple of posts. I believe these are the current scores.

    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 21
    John Curtin - 18
    Lautaro - 22
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 14
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 17
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 19
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Trajan - 3
    Victoria - 19
    Wilhelmina - 24
     
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  3. nzcamel

    nzcamel Nahtanoj the Magnificent

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    Nice tidy up of some interesting edits lol, but I think you'll find that @Weraptor slipped Cyrus another point way up back, so he should be on 19. (Post# 125)
     
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  4. nzcamel

    nzcamel Nahtanoj the Magnificent

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    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 19
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 21
    John Curtin - 18
    Lautaro - 22
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 15 (14+1) He's always entertaining :) I've actually noticed that he seems to hold back on tapping his sword on the floor when he's REAAALLLY annoyed, but knows you have the upper hand. Nice touch.
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 17
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 19
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Trajan - 3
    Victoria - 19
    Wilhelmina - 21 (24-3) Wilhelmina's okay. She's nice....I just don't see 24 points nice.



    More than 3 to 4 times even! Gilgy is yuuuuuge! :D

    Ah, but what a little stirring witch. Fantastic addition to the game :mischief:

    Great work BrotherInJah :)
    I'm sure everyone follows this, but Gandhi's still most hated lol. It's only my love for Cleo that subjected her to more downvotes! :cry:

    Top marks! :eek:

    You just don't wanna end up on BrotherInJah's most bloodthirsty list! :p ;)
     
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  5. Morningcalm

    Morningcalm Keeper of Records

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    I've noticed in this thread people cross-post a lot, so we need to pay closer attention to current leader scores.

    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 19
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 21
    John Curtin - 18 + 1 = 19 (Definitely one of the better leader models, themed well around his historical agenda as a rallying defensive cry for Australia, and animated well.)
    Lautaro - 22
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 15
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23 (Why is he still so high despite terrible VA and an odd visual portrayal?)
    Saladin - 17
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 19 - 3 = 16 (Portrayed as suspicious of foreigners, with a dismissive intro telling you to "be on your way", and has giant hands. So she's basically an inverse Trump with a gender switch. She also doesn't look like the historical Tamar.)
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Trajan - 3 (Fall, Caesar! Would that we could come by the spirit of Caesar without dismembering Caesar, but alas, he must bleed for it. [This being said, I hesitate to stab at him now in light of Tamar's ridiculously high score, so I will revisit the stabbing of this Asterix Caesar-wannabe later.])
    Victoria - 19
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
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  6. WillowBrook

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    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 19
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 21 + 1 = 22 I love his happiness and jolly roundness.
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 22
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 15
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 17
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 16
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Trajan - 3 - 3 = 0 Gone! I didn't want to be the one who actually eliminated him, but his too-skinny model really is the worst of those remaining, IMHO.
    Victoria - 19
     
  7. Weraptor

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    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 19 + 1 = 20 Now I'll assign my points properly.
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 22
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 22 - 3 = 19 I found Laurato's model pretty bland and uninspiring. I'm sorry.
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 15
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 17
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 16
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 19
    Wilhelmina - 21

    EDIT: added Wilhelmina back on the list
     
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  8. LMT

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    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 21 + 1 = 22 I love his insult when he compares the size of your cavalry to his. Classic finger gesture!
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 22
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 19
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 15
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 17
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 16
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 19 - 3 = 16. Clearly, her animation is geared toward young children and Disney fans everywhere. It's not at all what I think of when I think of Queen Victoria.
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
  9. JH24

    JH24 Chieftain

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    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 22
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 22
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 19 + 1 = 20 Another vote for the leader of the Mapuche. He's a kind of leader I want to be friends with. His reactions are varied and well-animated, and that sword he keeps around is such a nice touch considering his role in history.
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 15
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 17
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 16 - 3 = 13 Sorry to say and nothing against her, but Tamar. Her design just sticks out a lot.
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 16
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
  10. Ozymandias9891

    Ozymandias9891 Warlord

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    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 22
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 22 - 3 = 19 Something about his voice doesn't sound natural; it sounds like a recording. But maybe I'm nitpicking...
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 15
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 17
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 13 +1 = 4 I don't know where all this hate for Tamar is coming from, but I think she's very beautiful and I absolutely love her music. The Georgian music in this game is just amazing to listen to. (And as I type this, I'm setting up my next game as Georgia.)
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 16
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
  11. Katakanja

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    Amanitore - 12 ( @LMT left her off the list, she is now restored to her place :p)
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 22
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 19
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 15
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 17 -3 = 14 I don't mind his model, but his concept art that has been displayed elsewhere on the forum shows him with a more shrewd and commanding face + expressions. I think I would have liked him more if they had stuck more closely to that, though I think they might have recycled it to inspire some of Cyrus's expressions anyway.
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 14
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 16 +1 = 17 She manages to exude more personality than several of the other leaders put together.
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
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  12. Kimiimaro

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    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 22+1=23 - One of my favourite R&F models. His VA has a deeper voice than his Civ V counterpart. I also really like dark colours...
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 19
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 15-3=12 - Is it only me or does he have really huge hands? Also, I'm not really a fan of him screaming and waving that sword in front of me all the time, especially if he was known for being a calm person.
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 14
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 14
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 17
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
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    On the subject of huge hands.

    I've seen a few people mention this so far, and actually, if you look at them, quite a few leaders seem to have disproportionately large hands, including everyone's favourite member of the Tokimune clan. Is this perhaps some kind of odd stylistic choice on Firaxis's part? Or a widespread genetic trait in Civ-land :crazyeye:
     
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  14. DWilson

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    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 23+1=24 The depictiom of the Great Khan of Khans is really well done, and much better than that of previous iterations.
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 19
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 12
    Poundmaker - 26
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 14
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 14-3=11 Primarily because she doesn't seem to match her historical depictions, but rather looks like a distorted Tomyris. Secondarily, because I can't help but roll me eyes at the decision to depict her and her civ in the game at all.
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 17
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
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    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 24
    Gilgamesh - 8
    Gitarja - 24
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 19
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 12
    Poundmaker - 27 (26+1) Just bumped into him in my current game, and damn he looks fantastic!
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 14
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 8 (11-3) Pocahontas somehow ended up on the wrong continent.
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 17
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
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    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 24
    Gilgamesh - 5 (8 - 3) I've always liked the Hulk, but I don't think he fits in well in a game full of historical leaders.
    Gitarja - 25 (24 + 1) Elegant and graceful, with a soothing, pleasant voice.

    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 19
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 12
    Poundmaker - 27
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 14
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 8
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 17
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
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    Amanitore - 12
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 24-3=21 I am getting a bit anxious when I see you close by. So it's a health issue really. But don't you worry. I will overcome it soon. So watch out.
    Gilgamesh - 5
    Gitarja - 25
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 19
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 12
    Poundmaker - 27+1=28 Look at the way he dresses, not to mention that fantastic way his civ grows when he trades. Don't get me started with Mekewap.
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 14
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 8
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 17
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
  18. nzcamel

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    Sigh I don't wanna play anymore. I don't wanna down vote anyone... really :undecide: :mischief: :backstab:
    I'd love to downvote Shaka, but it'd be for the wrong reasons as I haven't met him in game yet. Gah.

    Amanitore - 9 (12-3) Lecture me on how messy my very well planned cities are!
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 5
    Gitarja - 25
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20 (19+1) I think Jay's model is nicely nuanced. He's there representing the dad bods ;)
    John Curtin - 19
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 12
    Poundmaker - 28
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 14
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 8
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 17
    Wilhelmina - 21

    Well said Morningcalm (no doubt this will be the post that I stuff it up haha).



    Well, for much of history, telling suspicious foreigners to be on their way was a much needed survival tactic :hammer:

    It is weird how Trajan is depicted. I enjoy interacting with him in game, be he angry or friendly; but I can't help but think that he's Julius Caesar:


    Spoiler :

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    Trajan was clearly a solidly built guy. Ceasar on the other hand was leaner, and is who we are most used to looking at dressed up in Roman regalia:

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    Spoiler :

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    Yet even he looks more solid than Civ VI's Trajan. I hope this isn't the last we see of Trajan, and that they get him more on the money another time round.

    Yeah, I think the hands could well be out on most the models. Having a thing for feet, I don't tend to notice lol :mischief: ;)
     
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    Definitely agreed on Trajan--I was so excited they chose him, but the way they portrayed him was so wrong, that I hope they just go with a middle-aged Gaius Julius Caesar next time (for whom Trajan's Declare War line of "Alea iacta est" would make much more sense)

    Amanitore - 9
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 5
    Gitarja - 25
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 19 + 1 = 20 (Few Civ VI AI leaders are as wonderfully animated, and he actually looks somewhat like the real figure--more impressive is how his lines are all well themed and delivered. I actually jumped the first time he reacted to my war declaration on him--so emphatically did he emphasize resistance)
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 12
    Poundmaker - 28
    Robert the Bruce - 23 (Still too high; he will be my next downvote at some point, in part due to his dreadful voice acting)
    Saladin - 14
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 8 - 3 = 5 (Way more out of proportion hands than necessary, doesn't look or act like the historical Tamar in the least, and is instead a defensive, overly suspicious of foreigners AI)
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 17
    Wilhelmina - 21
     
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    Amanitore - 9
    Catherine de' Medici - 12
    Chandragupta Maurya - 21
    Cyrus the Great - 20
    Genghis Khan - 21
    Gilgamesh - 5
    Gitarja - 25
    Gorgo - 22
    Harald Hardrada - 15
    Hojo Tokimune - 27
    Jadwiga - 20
    Jayavarman VII - 20
    John Curtin - 20
    Lautaro - 20
    Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
    Peter the Great - 24
    Philip II - 13 (12+1) He's such a ham. All in all I'm not a fan of this Disney art style, but at least Phillip does it well.
    Poundmaker - 28
    Robert the Bruce - 23
    Saladin - 14
    Seondeok - 20
    Shaka - 20
    Tamar - 5
    Teddy Roosevelt - 24
    Tomyris - 11
    Victoria - 17
    Wilhelmina - 18 (21-3) On the other hand, this is just too much. I feel like this character model just needs to go back to the drawing board. Almost insultingly bloated extreme tonal-shift Mary Poppins is not a favorite of mine.
     
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