Leader depiction elimination thread

[BenitoChavez]

Correcting the scores due to the confusion in the last couple of posts. I believe these are the current scores.

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 21
John Curtin - 18
Lautaro - 22
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 14
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 17
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 19
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Trajan - 3
Victoria - 19
Wilhelmina - 24

 

[nzcamel]

Correcting the scores due to the confusion in the last couple of posts. I believe these are the current scores.

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 21
John Curtin - 18
Lautaro - 22
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 14
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 17
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 19
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Trajan - 3
Victoria - 19
Wilhelmina - 24

Nice tidy up of some interesting edits lol, but I think you'll find that @Weraptor slipped Cyrus another point way up back, so he should be on 19. (Post# 125)

 

[nzcamel]

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 19
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 21
John Curtin - 18
Lautaro - 22
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 15 (14+1) He's always entertaining I've actually noticed that he seems to hold back on tapping his sword on the floor when he's REAAALLLY annoyed, but knows you have the upper hand. Nice touch.
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 17
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 19
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Trajan - 3
Victoria - 19
Wilhelmina - 21 (24-3) Wilhelmina's okay. She's nice....I just don't see 24 points nice.

Gilgamesh is just goddamn ridiculous, he has like three or four times the body mass of Gandhi, freakin mutant. I also generally dislike how his l e g e n d a r y depiction completely derailed the entire design of Sumerian civ (I still think it should focus on very early development bonuses). Instead we got Gilgamesh Bodybuilding International: the Ancient Mercenary Company.

More than 3 to 4 times even! Gilgy is yuuuuuge!

Catherine de' Medici - 15 - 3 = 12 She reminds me of a witch.

Ah, but what a little stirring witch. Fantastic addition to the game

96 VOTES CAST.. TIME FOR SOME STATS

TOP 5 (well 6 as we had ties) Most hated leaders:

It's Cleo on top..!

Great work BrotherInJah
I'm sure everyone follows this, but Gandhi's still most hated lol. It's only my love for Cleo that subjected her to more downvotes!

As Qin Shi Huang was eliminated yesterday for looking like a toad, I couldn't resist to draw him Here: http://sketchtoy.com/68576635

Top marks!

I don’t dislike Barbarossa enough to eliminate him, but I don’t like enough to save him. I will let the honors to the next!

You just don't wanna end up on BrotherInJah's most bloodthirsty list!

 

[Morningcalm]

I've noticed in this thread people cross-post a lot, so we need to pay closer attention to current leader scores.

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 19
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 21
John Curtin - 18 + 1 = 19 (Definitely one of the better leader models, themed well around his historical agenda as a rallying defensive cry for Australia, and animated well.)
Lautaro - 22
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 15
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23 (Why is he still so high despite terrible VA and an odd visual portrayal?)
Saladin - 17
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 19 - 3 = 16 (Portrayed as suspicious of foreigners, with a dismissive intro telling you to "be on your way", and has giant hands. So she's basically an inverse Trump with a gender switch. She also doesn't look like the historical Tamar.)
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Trajan - 3 (Fall, Caesar! Would that we could come by the spirit of Caesar without dismembering Caesar, but alas, he must bleed for it. [This being said, I hesitate to stab at him now in light of Tamar's ridiculously high score, so I will revisit the stabbing of this Asterix Caesar-wannabe later.])
Victoria - 19
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[WillowBrook]

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 19
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 21 + 1 = 22 I love his happiness and jolly roundness.
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 22
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 15
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 17
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 16
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Trajan - 3 - 3 = 0 Gone! I didn't want to be the one who actually eliminated him, but his too-skinny model really is the worst of those remaining, IMHO.
Victoria - 19

 

[Weraptor]

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 19 + 1 = 20 Now I'll assign my points properly.
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 22
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 22 - 3 = 19 I found Laurato's model pretty bland and uninspiring. I'm sorry.
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 15
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 17
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 16
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 19
Wilhelmina - 21

EDIT: added Wilhelmina back on the list

 

[LMT]

Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 21 + 1 = 22 I love his insult when he compares the size of your cavalry to his. Classic finger gesture!
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 22
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 19
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 15
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 17
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 16
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 19 - 3 = 16. Clearly, her animation is geared toward young children and Disney fans everywhere. It's not at all what I think of when I think of Queen Victoria.
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[JH24]

Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 22
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 22
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 19 + 1 = 20 Another vote for the leader of the Mapuche. He's a kind of leader I want to be friends with. His reactions are varied and well-animated, and that sword he keeps around is such a nice touch considering his role in history.
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 15
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 17
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 16 - 3 = 13 Sorry to say and nothing against her, but Tamar. Her design just sticks out a lot.
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 16
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[Ozymandias9891]

Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 22
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 22 - 3 = 19 Something about his voice doesn't sound natural; it sounds like a recording. But maybe I'm nitpicking...
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 15
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 17
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 13 +1 = 4 I don't know where all this hate for Tamar is coming from, but I think she's very beautiful and I absolutely love her music. The Georgian music in this game is just amazing to listen to. (And as I type this, I'm setting up my next game as Georgia.)
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 16
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[Katakanja]

Amanitore - 12 ( @LMT left her off the list, she is now restored to her place )
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 22
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 19
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 15
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 17 -3 = 14 I don't mind his model, but his concept art that has been displayed elsewhere on the forum shows him with a more shrewd and commanding face + expressions. I think I would have liked him more if they had stuck more closely to that, though I think they might have recycled it to inspire some of Cyrus's expressions anyway.
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 14
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 16 +1 = 17 She manages to exude more personality than several of the other leaders put together.
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[Kimiimaro]

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 22+1=23 - One of my favourite R&F models. His VA has a deeper voice than his Civ V counterpart. I also really like dark colours...
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 19
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 15-3=12 - Is it only me or does he have really huge hands? Also, I'm not really a fan of him screaming and waving that sword in front of me all the time, especially if he was known for being a calm person.
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 14
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 14
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 17
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[Katakanja]

On the subject of huge hands.

I've seen a few people mention this so far, and actually, if you look at them, quite a few leaders seem to have disproportionately large hands, including everyone's favourite member of the Tokimune clan. Is this perhaps some kind of odd stylistic choice on Firaxis's part? Or a widespread genetic trait in Civ-land

 

[DWilson]

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 23+1=24 The depictiom of the Great Khan of Khans is really well done, and much better than that of previous iterations.
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 19
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 12
Poundmaker - 26
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 14
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 14-3=11 Primarily because she doesn't seem to match her historical depictions, but rather looks like a distorted Tomyris. Secondarily, because I can't help but roll me eyes at the decision to depict her and her civ in the game at all.
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 17
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[kaspergm]

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 24
Gilgamesh - 8
Gitarja - 24
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 19
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 12
Poundmaker - 27 (26+1) Just bumped into him in my current game, and damn he looks fantastic!
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 14
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 8 (11-3) Pocahontas somehow ended up on the wrong continent.
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 17
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[KayAU]

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 24
Gilgamesh - 5 (8 - 3) I've always liked the Hulk, but I don't think he fits in well in a game full of historical leaders.
Gitarja - 25 (24 + 1) Elegant and graceful, with a soothing, pleasant voice.
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 19
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 12
Poundmaker - 27
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 14
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 8
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 17
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[Ondolindë]

Amanitore - 12
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 24-3=21 I am getting a bit anxious when I see you close by. So it's a health issue really. But don't you worry. I will overcome it soon. So watch out.
Gilgamesh - 5
Gitarja - 25
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 19
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 12
Poundmaker - 27+1=28 Look at the way he dresses, not to mention that fantastic way his civ grows when he trades. Don't get me started with Mekewap.
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 14
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 8
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 17
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[nzcamel]

Sigh I don't wanna play anymore. I don't wanna down vote anyone... really
I'd love to downvote Shaka, but it'd be for the wrong reasons as I haven't met him in game yet. Gah.

Amanitore - 9 (12-3) Lecture me on how messy my very well planned cities are!
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 5
Gitarja - 25
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 20 (19+1) I think Jay's model is nicely nuanced. He's there representing the dad bods
John Curtin - 19
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 12
Poundmaker - 28
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 14
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 8
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 17
Wilhelmina - 21

I've noticed in this thread people cross-post a lot, so we need to pay closer attention to current leader scores.

Well said Morningcalm (no doubt this will be the post that I stuff it up haha).

Tamar - 19 - 3 = 16 (Portrayed as suspicious of foreigners, with a dismissive intro telling you to "be on your way", and has giant hands. So she's basically an inverse Trump with a gender switch. She also doesn't look like the historical Tamar.)

Well, for much of history, telling suspicious foreigners to be on their way was a much needed survival tactic

Trajan - 3 (Fall, Caesar! Would that we could come by the spirit of Caesar without dismembering Caesar, but alas, he must bleed for it. [This being said, I hesitate to stab at him now in light of Tamar's ridiculously high score, so I will revisit the stabbing of this Asterix Caesar-wannabe later.])

Trajan - 3 - 3 = 0 Gone! I didn't want to be the one who actually eliminated him, but his too-skinny model really is the worst of those remaining, IMHO.

It is weird how Trajan is depicted. I enjoy interacting with him in game, be he angry or friendly; but I can't help but think that he's Julius Caesar:

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Trajan was clearly a solidly built guy. Ceasar on the other hand was leaner, and is who we are most used to looking at dressed up in Roman regalia:

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Yet even he looks more solid than Civ VI's Trajan. I hope this isn't the last we see of Trajan, and that they get him more on the money another time round.

On the subject of huge hands.

I've seen a few people mention this so far, and actually, if you look at them, quite a few leaders seem to have disproportionately large hands, including everyone's favourite member of the Tokimune clan. Is this perhaps some kind of odd stylistic choice on Firaxis's part? Or a widespread genetic trait in Civ-land

Yeah, I think the hands could well be out on most the models. Having a thing for feet, I don't tend to notice lol

 

[Morningcalm]

Definitely agreed on Trajan--I was so excited they chose him, but the way they portrayed him was so wrong, that I hope they just go with a middle-aged Gaius Julius Caesar next time (for whom Trajan's Declare War line of "Alea iacta est" would make much more sense)

Amanitore - 9
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 5
Gitarja - 25
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 20
John Curtin - 19 + 1 = 20 (Few Civ VI AI leaders are as wonderfully animated, and he actually looks somewhat like the real figure--more impressive is how his lines are all well themed and delivered. I actually jumped the first time he reacted to my war declaration on him--so emphatically did he emphasize resistance)
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 12
Poundmaker - 28
Robert the Bruce - 23 (Still too high; he will be my next downvote at some point, in part due to his dreadful voice acting)
Saladin - 14
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 8 - 3 = 5 (Way more out of proportion hands than necessary, doesn't look or act like the historical Tamar in the least, and is instead a defensive, overly suspicious of foreigners AI)
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 17
Wilhelmina - 21

 

[MantaRevan]

Amanitore - 9
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 5
Gitarja - 25
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 20
John Curtin - 20
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 13 (12+1) He's such a ham. All in all I'm not a fan of this Disney art style, but at least Phillip does it well.
Poundmaker - 28
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 14
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 5
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11
Victoria - 17
Wilhelmina - 18 (21-3) On the other hand, this is just too much. I feel like this character model just needs to go back to the drawing board. Almost insultingly bloated extreme tonal-shift Mary Poppins is not a favorite of mine.

 

[Weraptor]

Amanitore - 9
Catherine de' Medici - 12
Chandragupta Maurya - 21
Cyrus the Great - 20
Genghis Khan - 21
Gilgamesh - 5
Gitarja - 25
Gorgo - 22
Harald Hardrada - 15
Hojo Tokimune - 27
Jadwiga - 20
Jayavarman VII - 20
John Curtin - 20
Lautaro - 20
Mvemba a Nzinga - 15
Peter the Great - 24
Philip II - 13
Poundmaker - 28
Robert the Bruce - 23
Saladin - 14
Seondeok - 20
Shaka - 20
Tamar - 5 + 1 = 6 Those curves tho...
Teddy Roosevelt - 24
Tomyris - 11 - 3 = 8 Brags about loyalty, declares joint war 1 turn later
Victoria - 17
Wilhelmina - 18