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Left-wing challenge for Labour leadership

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ComradeDavo, Jul 14, 2006.

  1. Cuivienen

    Cuivienen Chieftain

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    I know this... but it primarily stems from the fact that the Tories have historically being anti-immigration anyway, so the primary impetus for voters to abandon them for the BNP is not there. However, Cameron's Tories are not as vocally anti-immigration, which may cost them votes.

    It is also important to point out that areas of particular BNP strength such as Barking and Dagenham used to have strong Tory showings before the BNP came along. Thus, while the BNP may be vying with Labour, its support is drawn primarily from former Tories.
     
  2. Nad

    Nad Known Troublemaker

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    But immigration is only really an issue in lower income city areas. Whatever the Tory history there, immigration really is not a key issue among most Tory supporters.

    As for Barking and Dagenham, I'm not sure what you mean there. The BNP have only just, in the recent local elections, made their presence felt there. Barking & Dagenham is a present Labour borough, not Tory, while the council has previously been Liberal Democrat dominated. So again, the BNP rise there is a threat to a present Labour borough.

    Also if you look at the other hotbeds of BNP, Oldham, Burnley etc, those are all traditional Labour wards.

    The Liberal Democrats are also at risk. The borough I live in, Bermondsey, is Lib Dem (Simon Hughes is the MP) but again the BNP have made some inroads.

    I'd still contend that of the three major parties, the Tories have the least to fear from the BNP. Although I'm not a supporter of any political party, I think Cameron is absolutely 100% correct to leave issues like immigration off his agenda, because it's simply not an area that the Tories need to be concerned with. He's focused on the issues that will win centre and centre-right votes, which is the only way the Tories will win the next election. He knows the Tories don't have a hope in hell of regaining inner-city, low income areas.
     
  3. Cuivienen

    Cuivienen Chieftain

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    Don't look at 2001 or 2002, look at the 1970s and the 1980s. There used to be a quite substantial Tory vote in those areas that has now disappeared without a demographic shift. Where did those votes go? The answer is obvious: the BNP.


    And my point wasn't really to make an argument out of this point. I don't think immigration will cost the Tories too much. However, I also don't think the BNP will make any impact at the next GE anyway, so it hardly matters.
     
  4. bholed

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    I'd still say it was preferable to having Labour use Scottish MPs to impose laws on the English that will never affect their constituents:rolleyes:


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    Aye, fair enough but its a bit rich you moaning about it now, thou at least you know how it feels slightly.
    We had to put up with foreign govermnet imposing there policies before and it wasn't nice.

    You dont like it there's an easy solution stand up for yourself and stop sponging of us .

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  5. colony

    colony Slow Typer

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    If only that was possible, I don't expect any British government to do anything about it until the North Sea oil/gas runs out:sad:
     
  6. nonconformist

    nonconformist Miserable

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    Christ, it's vote blue, vote for somefence-sitters, or hope to God there's some backbench rebellion and the Bennites retake the Red.
     
  7. GinandTonic

    GinandTonic Saphire w/ Schweps + Lime

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    Thats because class still has such a role in uk politics. There are lots of urban areas where for working class people voting tory is a stigma around the level of a sexually transmitted disease. Similar with Scotland and Wales, voting for the old opresser - even with a new spin - is culturally unacceptable. Much of the emergence of single issue parties is based around the trbalism of uk politics.
     

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