Let's discuss ASMR Videos

[Synobun]

Yes I know in today's world straight male heterosexuality is demonized and evil and all that. But people are just going to have to learn to deal with it. Those of us who won't cower to feminists aren't going to pretend that certain women don't turn us on. And those pictures are hot. Although I don't care for the gloves, LOL. It looks like she's preparing to put those fingers someplace I don't want them to go. I know certain people in this world want to change the nature of a man to something where men value women only for their brains and not their bodies, but it's never going to happen. I value both, but I'm not going to stop valueing hot babes.

Finding women attractive is fine. Going out of one's way to objectify a woman is not. The same applies vice-versa and is not gender-dependent. The problem with what was said wasn't that the woman is attractive... it's that the discussion was about ASMR and a significant contributor to the genre. Negating those contributions and instead posting pictures of the woman with heavy innuendo is disrespectful and not at all "the nature of a man".

 

[Manfred Belheim]

So finding women attractive is fine, so long as you never talk about it. Those are dirty guilty thoughts and must be kept private.

 

[Synobun]

So finding women attractive is fine, so long as you never talk about it. Those are dirty guilty thoughts and must be kept private.

That isn't what I said. I would appreciate it greatly if you didn't rewrite my words to fit your own narrative.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

That isn't what I said. I would appreciate it greatly if you didn't rewrite my words to fit your own narrative.

Well, to be fair you did re-write someone else's words to be "going out of their way to objectify a woman" when they were actually just saying they found her attractive, basically to fit your own narrative. So maybe me re-writing it back just cancels it out?

 

[Synobun]

Well, to be fair you did re-write someone else's words to be "going out of their way to objectify a woman" when they were actually just saying they found her attractive, basically to fit your own narrative. So maybe me re-writing it back just cancels it out?

A nice claim, to be sure, but unfortunately you're incorrect. Sommerswerd made no attempt to say that he simply found her attractive nor was it relevant to the subject of ASMR. His first reply to the thread was to make a lewd remark about a woman accompanied with photos of her. I rewrote nothing and did not leave out details.

Indeed...

ASMR Darling:

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Yes, very "relaxing"... I can imagine her relaxing me right now.

Most adults, and even most children, are capable of telling the difference between "she's cute" and "I can imagine her relaxing me right now ". One is appropriate, the other isn't. Can you guess which?

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Sommerswerd made no attempt to say that he simply found her attractive

The comment he made wouldn't really make much sense in another context and that's the clear implication.

nor was it relevant to the subject of ASMR.

So what? It not being relevant doesn't make it wrong or more offensive.

So maybe I should re-re-write your statement to something like "Talking about finding women attractive is fine, provided that the context is a conversation where that is already the topic". Which seems a bit arbitrary, and also kind of not how people work.

Most adults, and even most children, are capable of telling the difference between "she's cute" and "I can imagine her relaxing me right now ". One is appropriate, the other isn't. Can you guess which?

Of course I can tell the difference, but two things being different doesn't imply that one of those things must be wrong. And appropriate for what? Your own personal tastes it seems.

 

[Synobun]

The comment he made wouldn't really make much sense in another context and that's the clear implication.

The clear implication was that this woman was reduced to a sex object. I'm unwilling to hear any rationalization as for why that's totally acceptable. It's not a revolutionary concept that making lewd comments that negate a woman's worth is inappropriate in public places. I am confident that men are capable of controlling themselves enough that they can avoid making sexual comments about women in settings where that's unwelcome.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

The clear implication was that this woman was reduced to a sex object.

Is that what you think finding a woman sexually attractive does? If I comment that I like your hat, am I reducing you to a hatstand?

I'm unwilling to hear any rationalization as for why that's totally acceptable.

Good day then.

 

[Farm Boy]

I might say she's cute with a wink(my brain still does the dream thing about having sex with women, largely unbidden), but if I had to pick a situation in which she was going to touch me in a relaxing way what I'd want to know is if she's any good at giving haircuts. That's really about the highest tolerance I have for finding strangers touching me enjoyable. Maybe the dentist checking gums after the hygienist just took the picks to you, but that's just more relief that everything just got less stabbity pokity scrapity.

I am sorry if I made you uncomfortable and hope the clarification helps.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

You're just reducing her to a barber now.

 

[Sommerswerd]

A nice claim, to be sure, but unfortunately you're incorrect. Sommerswerd made no attempt to say that he simply found her attractive nor was it relevant to the subject of ASMR. His first reply to the thread was to make a lewd remark about a woman accompanied with photos of her. I rewrote nothing and did not leave out details.

Most adults, and even most children, are capable of telling the difference between "she's cute" and "I can imagine her relaxing me right now ". One is appropriate, the other isn't. Can you guess which?

My comment was a response to Commodore and his response to me indicated that he understood and appreciated the context of my comment. Your conclusion that my comment was "lewd" and "inappropriate" is entirely subjective and frankly erroneous. I also notice that you've moved the goalpost multiple times now from "creepy" to "lewd" to "inappropriate" now to "the sexual objectification of women"...The forum has clear rules/procedures in place for addressing the appropriateness of user posted content precisely for this reason.

The fact that I "made no attempt to say" this or that to your subjective satisfaction is totally irrelevant. The person my comment was directed towards fully understood my meaning and responded in kind. If you don't appreciate my humor or witty banter, well... there it is...

EDIT: Also...while I'm on a roll... This statement:

Sommerswerd made no attempt to say that he simply found her attractive

Is patently false on its face. You said:

The whole reply was creepy.

and I responded:

Thinking pretty girls are attractive is creepy? OK... to each his own I guess.

So again, you're just wrong.

 

[Synobun]

My comment was a response to Commodore and his response to me indicated that he understood and appreciated the context of my comment. Your conclusion that my comment was "lewd" and "inappropriate" is entirely subjective and frankly erroneous. I also notice that you've moved the goalpost multiple times now from "creepy" to "lewd" to "inappropriate" now to "the sexual objectification of women"...The forum has clear rules/procedures in place for addressing the appropriateness of user posted content precisely for this reason.

Your comment was creepy, lewd, inappropriate, and sexually objectified a woman. Not sure why you are considering them as mutually exclusive terms. They seem quite related to one another. Whether Commodore "appreciated" your comment or not is irrelevant to the appropriateness of your remark.

The forum does have clear rules. You're welcome to report me if you feel I've broken them. I've been very careful to avoid making any judgements of your character and have restricted my opinion to what you've said.

The fact that I "made no attempt to say" this or that to your subjective satisfaction is totally irrelevant. The person my comment was directed towards fully understood my meaning and responded in kind. If you don't appreciate my humor or witty banter, well... there it is...

Ah yes, the witty banter of reducing someone to a sex object. My favourite comedy routine is surely one where the comedian picks out a lady in the crowd and goes on about how he imagines her shagging him. Truly a capturing skit that everyone finds raucously funny.

Although I guess I do find it somewhat humorous that my assertion that it's inappropriate to make sexual remarks about a woman in a public place is considered an isolated and woefully subjective opinion. Does this work out for you? Do women you come across in real life in public appreciate unsolicited sexual comments? Maybe commenting to the lady bagging your groceries that you'd love it if she bagged something else of yours? Of course, if she were to take offense, you could just throw "T'is but witty banter!" back at her and really make her the fool in this scenario.

No.

EDIT: Also...while I'm on a roll... This statement: Is patently false on its face. You said: and I responded: So again, you're just wrong.

Except that isn't what you said. You didn't say "she's attractive". You didn't make an innocent comment that she was a pretty lady. You made a sexual remark. You posted photos of her and then said you were imagining she was "relaxing" you with a wink. There is a difference between the two concepts.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Okay so... is the rule that you're allowed to find women attractive, so long as it's in the same way that you might find a flower or a sunset attractive? But aren't you then reducing her to a vegetable or a ball of gas?

 

[Synobun]

Okay so... is the rule that you're allowed to find women attractive, so long as it's in the same way that you might find a flower or a sunset attractive? But aren't you then reducing her to a vegetable or a ball of gas?

Approach two women in a public place. Tell one she's pretty. Tell the other you're imagining her doing sexual things to you.

Report back to us with which ended better for you.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Approach two women in a public place. Tell one she's pretty. Tell the other you're imagining her doing sexual things to you.

Report back to us with which ended better for you.

Approach a woman in a public place and tell her you're imagining her doing sexual things to you. Post a picture of a woman on a message board and post a "lewd" comment about her.

Report back to us with which ended better for you

 

[Synobun]

Both got me called out for being inappropriate.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

And that's the world you want to live in, so be happy

 

[Narz]

Both got me called out for being inappropriate.

So change your approach, don't give up altogether. Believe it or not women like sexual attention, they just like it at the right time, in the right way, from the right person (unlike dudes who pretty much just like it). Being prudish or fake-chivalrous (fear of offending a woman mostly) isn't gonna get you any points.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Whether Commodore "appreciated" your comment or not is irrelevant to the appropriateness of your remark.

The only thing that is ultimately relevant to the appropriateness of my remark... as I have already informed you... is the forum rules. Period. The rest of your post is irrelevant to that point.

I'm not sure why you feel so defensive of ASMR Darling or why my posting about her has triggered you, but the fact that your approach to women has been unsuccessful isn't my fault. Don't take your frustrations out on me.

 

[Farm Boy]

appropriate =/= what isn't punishable : No?

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