Let's Talk Immigration
- Thread starter Gary Childress
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Even if you support zero population growth as a whole you should support even higher immigration to the US. The US as a whole is very sparsely populated compared to much of the world. And when people come to the US, or any developed nation, their birthrate declines over a couple of generations at most. The way to end global population growth is to get as much of the world population out of subsistence living as possible.
brennan
Argumentative Brit
Just so you know, the idea that immigrants 'take our jobs' is considered an economic fallacy.
Lump of labour fallacy.
H1-B visa holders certainly do
anything over 200 million
First, trying to assist a world that refuses to control its own population is stupid.
Muslim dominated countries are an example.
'If" the USA is sparsley populated that is GOOD, not bad. Why are we obligated to serve
as a 'body' relief valve. We are NOT so obligated.
You will never get places like Indonesia to try and control their populations.
They WILL over breed and starve. My response is, let them
Same with Haiti
Why that number?
Take a class on sustainable standard of living. If you want the USA standard of living,
it must be ecologicly sustainable
So even though immigration has always been a very strong net positive for the US, you want to cut it off just to punish people? That's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If that's the goal then start switching to renewable energy.
Also, fun fact: Indonesian women have about the same number of children as Americans. The Iranians have less.
So even though immigration has always been a very strong net positive for the US, you want to cut it off just to punish people? That's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.
ZPG is to sustain the people already here. Not punish anyone
Hmm, no, that's not it.
Those graphs clearly show that those countries are NOT at ZPG
not even close.
Mise
isle of lucy
Err, Iran, Indonesia and Turkey are all at or below the replacement rate... Bangladesh probably is too, though I don't know what its replacement rate is.
Their population are still growing though. Chifeng is an advocate for zero population growth; to him, it's not enough that countries reduce their fertility rate, their population must stop growing altogether.
The United States is growing at 1% per year (which is about the same as Lebanon), so to Chifeng it's one of those stupid countries that "refuses to control its own population".
Mise
isle of lucy
Oh, wow. Maybe we should increase the mortality rate and kick people out of hospitals when they hit a certain age? You know, burn the candle at both ends.
Murky
Deity
Some states have taken their anti-immigration agenda a bit too far in my opinion. America is a nation of immigrants. Multiculturalism is a strength not a weakness.
brennan
Argumentative Brit
We should go back to deporting criminals to the colonies as well.
In a sense yes. Allowing so much legal and illegal immigration is the same as breeding.
So no, we dont control our population.
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