LINESII- Into the Darkness- Part III

[alex994]

Kinda have a Joker/Batman complex?

OOC: Yeah, I'm obviously Joker. You'll never see me fight for ideology And no one takes me seriously either But it's like if the Valins die, who will we be anti- towards?

 

[~Darkening~]

Yeah, I'm obviously Joker. You'll never see me fight for ideology

LMAO. alex, must we have this conversation again ?

 

[a_propagandist]

May I please inquiry, as I am relatively new to this, why is everyone so anti-Valin?

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Decloak: Begs the question as to which is which...

Presumably alex is the Joker here, as he keeps his enemy around because he defines a significant part of himself through an antagonistic relationship. (braces for alex's scathing rebuttal of the overgeneralization)

Of course, if you're talking popularity...

 

[alex994]

OOC: You're right iggy, but then again, I think the Han have outgrown the Valins. We need to find stronger people to be our antagonists.... They're hardly our equal nowadays anymore

If we're talking about popularity, thlayli is OBVIOUSLY Batman

 

[Symphony D.]

Decloak: That leaves Thlayli as Batman though, which is simply unacceptable. I therefore call the entire comparison defunct. A more accurate one would be Laurel and Hardy. I would say in such an instance Thlayli would be Hardy, and alex would be Laurel.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Hence my note. This comparison does not refer to popularity.

 

[Thlayli]

Well, I am lots of people's worst nightmares...

 

[Cuivienen]

Decloak: Begs the question as to which is which...

*Rants about improper use of "begging the question"*

 

[Thlayli]

I'm only begging and questioning about one thing...when will we see the update?

 

[LightFang]

Begging the question is a logical fallacy! DX

It is when the premises include the claim that the conclusion is true, either directly or indirectly, or assume that the conclusion is true, again, either directly or indirectly!

For example:
"If such actions were not illegal, then they would not be prohibited by the law."

 

[Lord_Iggy]

You will see it shortly after I finish it.

 

[Symphony D.]

Begging the question is a logical fallacy! DX

It is when the premises include the claim that the conclusion is true, either directly or indirectly, or assume that the conclusion is true, again, either directly or indirectly!

For example:
"If such actions were not illegal, then they would not be prohibited by the law."

Decloak: In addition it is also an ordinary English phrase meaning precisely what it appears to mean in that it leaves an implied question hanging, having utterly nothing to do with the logical fallacy, thank you.

 

[das]

lurker's comment:

May I please inquiry, as I am relatively new to this, why is everyone so anti-Valin?

Because they keep fighting world wars against just about everybody (from the very start of this NES), whether of their own intention or by accident. Also, they are very self-righteous. Also, they have a pervasive religion and ideology that they keep trying to spread and exploit. Also, they're, they're... they're just so damn Valin!

 

[Kal'thzar]

I don't HATE valins, I find them a usefull tool for expanding my territory....

 

[das]

lurker's comment: Is it not possible to hate them and exploit them at the same time? They do keep invading your heartlands, you know. Sinking fleets, burning cities...

 

[Kal'thzar]

well I suppose the common people might hate them. My kings mostly look upon them as a passing phase, and you can't really hate them, their too adorable....

 

[North King]

I like Veritas, personally: The epitome of the high classical age.

 

[LightFang]

Decloak: In addition it is also an ordinary English phrase meaning precisely what it appears to mean in that it leaves an implied question hanging, having utterly nothing to do with the logical fallacy, thank you.

That's only said by people who are misinformed. It happens a lot with political pundits (This begs the question: What will the President do in Iraq now?)

It does not mean "to raise the question." It's a common error in usage by those who mistake the question in the phrase "to beg the question" as a literal question. Traditionally, it does not and should not have this meaning. We can't let this new, completely wrong meaning fall prey to the vernacular! D:

 

[JosefStalinator]

Don't idioms and phrases gain meaning by how people use them? I don't see how you can just declare a meaning of something that has no literal translation "wrong".

Regardless, Update!