LK163 - AWM, India

[Civinator]

After reading all your reports, I have started this save file again and trying to do all the things you have done in your tries above. Like Jersey Joe I started the game as a save file of the epic game (not as a scenario).When starting the turn in the save file, I heard the C3C music, but no map did appear. This behaviour appears frequently when starting big scenarios (like SOE), but I never had it when starting a save file. After 12 seconds the map appeared on the screen.

I klicked into the minimap and the game didn´t react, but had a short time freeze. In that time I wasn´t able to activate anything different, including Indian units. After some time (here I didn´t check the seconds), the AI started their moves quite normally. In the next turn (1780) I could move the Indian units as normal in a normal speed.

It seems the save file 'thinks' the turn of the human player has ended and doesn´t allow the human player to do anything more in that turn. In some kind it reacts like in a multiplayer game when one of the players has finished his turn. Such an error in a single player game was never reported for CCM and I don´t think this error is a 'CCM-specific' error.

 

[LKendter]

I can confirm Civinator's comment above. I woke up an unit in Delhi. After that, the game was responding normally.

 

[LKendter]

I then fortified the same unit, and the game went back to to stuck mode.

 

[Elephantium]

Game continued...

IBT:

Brazil-Portugal lands a couple of units near El-Amarna
Maghreb kill two Knights and a WE at Casblanca

T4:
Bombard kills stray XBow near Avignon

By El-Amarna
Ratha dies to MDI
Brahmin kills Enslaver
Brahmin dies to redlined MDI
Ratha finally kills it.

By Fortaleza
Enslaver kills XBow
Knight dies to MDI

Porto Alegre:
Knight kills Late Pike
eKt kills LP, city is ours.

Stray units...
WE dies to MDI
Kt dies to MDI
Brahmin finally kills it.

Camel dies to MDI

Casblanca has two defenders and 3 possible attackers...likely to fall.

IBT:

Egypt suicides a Galleass against ours.
... then they kill the Knight in Porto Alegre, stealing the city!

I'm so sorry; I didn't move extra defenders in

Brazilian Camel murders Knight near Santo Andre
Only 1 Maghreb dog attacks Casblanca! The city holds...

T5:

Near Casblanca, Siege Bow dies to WE
Second one kills it.

Near Avignon, Camel Musket dies to Musket
Knight kills it.
KOTR kills MDI
Ratha kills XBow

We get the road crew started...
Ratha kills Enslaver
Ratha kills XBow
Ratha kills WE
Kt kills Kt
Kt kills XBow

Bombard liberates Porto Alegre; this time I make sure we have a big stack in there!
Brahmin dies to redlined MDI
WEs kill 2 redlined MDIs
Kt kills XBow

We culture-bomb Porto Alegre

I'll hand off here. I'll also include the 1770 AD start-of-turn (from autosave) file in case that helps Civinator figure out what might have happened.

If the game going into 'stuck' mode is a problem, we could try to continue play from that file as well.

 

[LKendter]

I’m not worried about "stuck" mode. As I noted above, waking a unit up solved the issue for me.



ROSTER:
LKendter (on deck)
Greebley
Elephantium
Jersey Joe (up)

 

[Jersey Joe]

I got it.

 

[Civinator]

I'll also include the 1770 AD start-of-turn (from autosave) file in case that helps Civinator figure out what might have happened.

This is a very good idea. I will have a look at the game following started with that biq and an obeservation via the multplayer tool, too. Elephantium, thank you very much.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Continuing 1785 AD: Victory Screen: 7% world area 13% world population

IBT: A Ratha, Spearman, and Knight are killed by Maghreb troops, we kill one Maghreb unit (1, 3).

1790 AD:
Brahmin kills Maghreb Crossbow (2, 3); Knight of the Realm kills Late Pike (3, 3).

Siege of Santo Andre:
Knight kills Brazilian Crossbow (4, 3); eKnight kills Late Pike (5, 3) (1 elite win).

Taking of Recife:
Knights kill 2 Brazilian Late Pike (7, 3); eKnight kills Crossbow (8, 3) (2 elite wins). The city is ours.
eWar Elephants kill 2 Crossbows (10, 3) (4 elite wins)

(N.B. still need to leave a unit active at end of turn)

IBT: Our Ancient Explorer is sunk by a Pirate ship. (10, 4).
Knight killed by Maghreb Bombard (10, 5).

1795 AD:
Siege of Santo Andre:
War Elephant kills 2 Late Pike (12, 5). The city is razed.

At Rio de Janeiro:
eWar Elephant tramples Trebuchet to pieces (13, 5) (5 elite wins, 1 GL). We get a Great Leader. Bombard kills Camel Musketeer (14, 5). Great Leader rushes a Castle in the newly renamed Pyrrhus’s Port.
Knight kills Late Pike (15, 5); Knights kill 2 Tupi Spearman (17, 5); eKnight of the Realm kills Invisible Unit (18, 5) (6 elite wins, 1 GL). Rio is captured.

Arquebusier kills Maghreb Explorer (19, 5); Brahmin kill 2 Crossbows (21, 5); eKnight kills Knight (22, 5) (7 elite wins, 1 GL); eRatha kills Crossbow (23, 5) (8 elite wins, 1 GL)

IBT: eWar Elephant killed by Egyptian Crossbow (23, 6).

1800 AD:
Near Rio:
eBrahmin converts Brazilian Tupi Spearman (24, 6) (9 elite wins, 1 GL); eWar Elephant kills Egyptian Crossbow (24, 6) (10 elite wins, 1 GL); eKnight of Realm kills Egyptian Crossbow (25, 6) (11 elite wins, 1 GL); Knight kills Egyptian Arquebusier (26, 6); eWar Elephant kills Egyptian Crossbow (27, 6) (12 elite wins, 1 GL); eKnight kills Egyptian Crossbow (28, 6) (13 elite wins, 1 GL); eKnight kills Egyptian Crossbow (29, 6) (14 elite wins, 2 GL). We get a Great Leader. Great Leader rushes a Colosseum in Recife. Bombard kills Brazilian Crossbow (39, 6).

Change Casblanca to “Rick’s Cafe Americain”.
Defense of Rick’s Cafe Americain:
Bombard kills Maghreb Musketman (40, 6); Knight kills Late Pike (41, 6); Medieval Infantry kills Crossbow (42, 6); Knight of the Realm kills 2 Crossbow (44, 6); Brahmin converts Crossbow (45, 6); Medieval Infantry kill by Musketman (45, 7); Enslaver captures Musketman (46, 7).

(N.B. First time I tested since 1790 AD. I did not need to have a unit active act end of turn.)

1802 AD:
Knight of the Realm kills Maghreb Musketmen (47, 7). Brahmin kills Spanish Crossbow (48, 8). eWar Elephant kills Brazilian Crossbow (49, 8) (15 elite wins, 2 GL). eBombard kills (50, 8) (16 elite wins, 2 GL). Eknight kills Spanish Medieval Infantry (51, 8) (17 elite wins, 2 GL). Bombard kills Crossbow (52, 8).

Liberating Campinas:
Knight killed by Brazilian Late Pike (52, 9); Knight kills Late Pike (53, 9); Campinas is liberated.
Knight kills Medieval Infantry (54, 9); Knight kills Crossbow (55, 9).

IBT: We met and Declare War on South Africa.

1804 AD:
Liberating Fes:
War Elephant kills Meghrib Late Pike (56, 9); eKnight kills Numidan Mercenary (57, 9) (17 elite wins, 2 GL). Fes is Liberated. Knight of the Realm kills Camel Musketeer (58, 9); Brahmin converts Crossbow (59, 9);
eKnight kills Spearman and captures a Brazilian Settler (they were far from home ) (60, 9) (18 elite wins, 2 GL); eKnight kills Spanish Crossbow and we get a Great Leader (61, 9) (19 elite wins, 3 GL).
Two (2) Knights die before we kill a Maghrib Musketman guarding a Settler (62, 11); War Elephant kills Invisible Unit guarding Settler (62, 11).

Knight kills Brazilian Crossbow (63, 11).

IBT: We lose 2 Knights and 1 Crossbow (63, 14).

1806 AD:
Great Leader rushes Castle in Rio.

At Rick’s Cafe Americain:
Bombard kills S. African Knight (64, 14); eKnight of the Realm kills Knight (65, 14); (20 elite wins, 3 GL). War Elephant killed by Knight (65, 15); eRatha kills Knight (66, 15) (21 elite wins, 3 GL). Brahmin converts a Knight (67, 15).

Near Rio:
eBombard kills Egyptian Musketman (68, 15) (22 elite wins, 3 GL). eKnight kills Brazilian Crossbow (69, 15) (23 elite wins, 3 GL).

Near Fes:
eWar Elephant kills Maghrib Medieval Infantry (70, 15) (24 elite wins, 3 GL). Knight killed by Bombard (70, 16); Brahmin kills Bombard (71, 16).

1808 AD:
Near Fes:
Two (2) Knights killed by Maghrib Musketman (71, 18); Knight of the Realm kills Musketman (72, 18); eWar Elephant kills S. African Knight (73, 18) (25 elite wins, 3 GL). Brahmin kills Trebuchet (74, 18).

Liberation of Curitiba:
Bombard kills Egyptian Crossbow (75, 18); Knight kills Brazilian Late Pike (76, 18); eKnight kills Spearman (77, 18) (26 elite wins, 3 GL). Curitiba is Liberated.
Camel Musketeer kills Crossbow (78, 18); Knight kills Crossbow (79, 18).

Liberation of Sao Paulo:
Knight killed by Musketman (79, 19); Knights kill 2 Musketman (81, 19); War Elephant kills Musketman (82, 19), War Elephant kills Crossbow (83, 19). Sao Paulo is liberated.
Knight kills Egyptian Crossbow (84, 19).

IBT: S. Africa moves a SoD (archers, crossbowmen and various types of pikes) towards Fes.

1810 AD:
Near Fes:

eKnight kills S. African Late Pike (85, 19) (27 elite wins, 3 GL); Knight of the Realm kills Maghrib Crossbow (86, 19); Knight killed by Pikeman (86, 20); Knights kill 2 Medieval Infantry (88, 20); eKnight kills Medieval Infantry (89, 20) (28 elite wins, 3 GL); eRatha kills Pike (90, 20) (29 elite wins, 3 GL); eWar Elephant kills Pike (91, 20) (30 elite wins, 4 GL). We get a Great Leader. Great Leader rushes Castle in Fes.

Knight killed by Pike (91, 21); Ratha kills Numidian Mercenary (92, 21); Camel Musketeer kills Numidian Mercenary (93, 21); War Elephants kill 2 Numidian Mercenaries (95, 21); Enslaver kills Spearman (95, 21); Knight killed by Maghreb Late Pike (95, 22); Brahmin converts Late Pike (96, 22); Knight kills Crossbow (97, 22); Enslaver captures Pike (98, 22).

Near Sao Paulo:
eKnight kills Egyptian Crossbow (99, 22) (31 elite wins, 4 GL); eKnight kills Egyptian Crossbow (100, 22) (32 elite wins, 4 GL);

Almost missed 2 enemies next to Fes:
Arquebusier is killed by Maghrib Medieval Infantry (100, 23); Arquebusier is kills Medieval Infantry (101, 23); Arquebusier kills by Crossbow (102, 23).

IBT: Arquebusier killed by Maghrib Crossbow (102, 24). The Aztec show up on our borders, north of Rick’s Cafe.

1812 AD:
Near Fes:
Bombard kills S. African Swordsman (103, 24); Knight kills Archer (104, 24); War Elephant kills Archer (105, 24); Knight killed by Archer (105, 25); Knight kills Swordsman (106, 25); Knight kills Crossbow (107, 25); Knight killed by Crossbow (107, 26); Knight kills Crossbow (108, 26); War Elephant kills Crossbow (109, 26); newly promoted eWar Elephant blitzes Crossbow (110, 26) (33 elite wins, 4 GL); Medieval Infantry killed by Crossbow (110, 27); Brahmin kills Crossbow (111, 27); eKnight kills Archer (112, 27) (34 elite wins, 4 GL); War Elephant blitzes Archer (113, 27); Knight kills Crossbow (114, 27).
Knight of the Realm kills Maghrib Crossbow (115, 27); War Elephant kills Crossbow (116, 27); Ratha kills Crossbow (117, 27); Camel Musketeer kills Crossbow (118, 27); eBrahmin kills Camel Musketeer (119, 27) (35 elite wins, 4 GL);

Near Sao Paulo:
eKnight kills Egyptian Crossbow (120, 27) (36 elite wins, 4 GL); eKnight of the Realm kills Egyptian Crossbow (121, 27) (36 elite wins, 5 GL). We get a Great Leader. War Elephant kills Brazilian Crossbow (122, 27);

We meet the Aztec. They refuse our reasonable offer, to let them surrender and become part of our growing hegemony. Therefore, we are forced to issue a Declaration of War against the Aztec.

IBT:
Our expeditionary force at Manaus kills a Brazilian unit (123, 27) that attacked.

1814 AD: Delhi starts prebuild for Supreme Court.
Great Leader rushes University in Rio.

Liberation of Manaus:
eWar Elephant kills Brazilian Late Pike (124, 27) (37 elite wins, 5 GL); Knight killed by Late Pike (124, 28); eWar Elephant kills Brazilian Late Pike (125, 28) (38 elite wins, 5 GL); Manaus is Liberated. We see a blue border next. New enemy? War Elephant kills Brazilian Crossbow (126, 28).

Near Fes:
eKnight of the Realm kills S. African Late Pike (127, 28) (39 elite wins, 5 GL); eRatha kills Crossbow (128, 28) (40 elite wins, 5 GL); eKnight of the Realm kills Knight (129, 28) (41 elite wins, 5 GL); eWar Elephant kills Catapult (130, 28) (42 elite wins, 5 GL); eCamel Musketeer kills Catapult (131, 28) (43 elite wins, 5 GL); Knight kills Trebuchet (132, 28); Knight kills Medieval Catapult (133, 28); Knight killed by Trebuchet (133, 29); Knight kills Trebuchet (134, 29); eBrahmin converts a Trebuchet (135, 29) (44 elite wins, 6 GL). We get a Great Leader.
Knight kills Late Pike (136, 29); War Elephant kills Numidian Mercenary (137, 29); War Elephant kills Archer (139, 29).

Near Rick’s Cafe:
Camel Musketeer kills Aztec Camel Musketeer (139, 29); Knights kill 4 Camel Musketeers (143, 29).

Near Sao Paulo:
Knight kills Egyptian Crossbow (144, 29); Knight killed by Medieval Infantry (144, 30); Knight kills Medieval Infantry (145, 30).

Victory Screen: 8% world area 15% world population

Notes:

• It does not seem necessary any more to have a unit unmoved at the end of a turn.
• We have been Studying Jurisprudence for 3 turns. Delhi has started prebuilding toward getting the 200 shield Supreme Court. Delhi will have 200 shields in 5 turns.
• There are a number of healthy troops fortified in Fes.
• The Great Leader is next to Avigon.
• I just started to build Explorers. I figure it is better to lose a 10 shield unit instead of a 50 shield unit. Also, they get 3 movement over any terrain so they are good fog busters in jungles and hills.
• I have been using “goto’s” to move troops from core cities to the front.
  

 

[Jersey Joe]

Here are a couple of Screen Shots.

Spoiler Northern Front :

Spoiler Western Front :

 

[LKendter]

That was a high unit count turn. The report sounds like good military progress.



ROSTER:
LKendter (up)
Greebley (on deck)
Elephantium
Jersey Joe

 

[LKendter]

I just started playing. The number of fronts to manage is getting to the overwhelming point.

 

[Jersey Joe]

On the Northern front (Maghreb, S. African, Spanish, Aztec) I just kept our troops near Fes and Rick's Cafe. I was thinking of rushing a Castle at Rick's Cafe, but if the Spanish only send a few troops at a time it can get along without a Castle and sending seriously wounded troops to Avigon to heal.

On the Western Front, I think Brazil has used up most of its "spare" troops. We should be able to approach their cities with little opposition. I never saw many troop from Egypt.
The Naval Bombardment of a few of our cities is annoying.

 

[LKendter]

Mid set thanks. I don't think I'd be able to deal with the Aztec rush without the fast healing in Fez thanks to the castle. There are a LOT of Aztec units I am fighting up there.

 

[LKendter]

Mid set death count. (100-34)
These are mostly Aztec units.

 

[Jersey Joe]

Mid set death count. (100-34)
These are mostly Aztec units.

Sounds like what I faced from the S. Africans.
Maybe when we start moving north from Fez the Aztecs and S. Africans will be afraid to leave their cities.

To me, it looked like the ships going in to and out of the fog just Northeast of Fez were moving overland. I think they were moving in to and out of a city.

 

[LKendter]

1814 AD (0)
I click on a lot of units near the homeland. Hopefully there aren’t any go to orders left.

I found some cities building units without castles. I switch to castles to get vets.
I switch a lot of high corruption cities to admin centers.

I reduce the luxury rate to zero. I only have to fix 2 cities.
(IT) Germany won’t become our puppet, so I refuse there offer to talk.
I can’t figure out where the Aztecs are going as some troops head north, while others go south.
At lot of ships bombard us someplace.
A ship at sea was killed. (1-0)
An explorer was lost. (1-1)
Brazil got a knight, but lost a camel. (2-2)

I missed at least one city building regular units - Rheims.

 

[LKendter]

1816 AD (1)
I assault Belem. Brazil lost 2 pikes and a crossbow. (5-2)
I watch ships get destroyed in port.
I assault Guarulhos. I kill 1 pike and 1 spear. A knight was lost. (7-3)
I kill a German explorer promoting a camel to elite. (8-3)
I hit a small stack from the Aztecs near Rick’s Café. I kill 4 buckets and 1 chariot. I lost 1 knight, 1 MDI and 1 elephant. (13-6)
In the open I kill 2 Brazil crossbows. (16-6)
I kill 1 Egypt crossbow. (17-6)
I missed that we already had a leader. Rick’s gets a rushed castle.
I find a large stack of South African units. I kill 3 crossbows, 5 knights, 3 pikes and 2 MDI. I lost 1 knight. (30-7)
I didn’t find all the go to units. I have no clue what is being reinforced
(IT) I just saw a paddle wheeler from Maghreb. We are at least 5 techs behind them.
I killed 1 bucket, and lost 2 knights. (31-9)

 

[LKendter]

1818 AD (2)
I assault Brasilia. I kill 4 pikes and 1 crossbow. I lost 1 knight. (36-10)
Brazil still has 4 cities, and I’ve only found 2 of them so far.
The city comes with Mausoleum of Mausollos. Sadly, it goes obsolete with Free Artistry. We might get one or two settlers out of it. The brand new monk culture bombs it.
I kill 2 stray Austria crossbows. (38-10)
Chittagong is founded near the former AI city. It comes with absurd growth.
The area around Rick’s Cafe will we be defensive actions for a bit. There are still multiple Aztec stacks to wipe out.
I kill 6 Aztec camel warriors. I lost 3 knights. I hate fighting in hills. (44-13)
I kill 2 Maghreb crossbows. (44-13)

With all of the pirates near Suhn, I won’t be able to finish developing the last 2 tiles. I irrigated 1 just to have the ships wipe it out.
(IT) An Austrian crossbow is dead. (45-13)
A lot more Aztec troops pour across the border between Rick’s and Fez.

 

[LKendter]

1820 AD (3) I assault Belo Horizonte. I kill 1 pike and 1 crossbow. I lost 3 knights. The city holds with a damaged pike. (47-16)
I killed a Maghreb musket coming from the north. (48-16)
I assault Salvador. I kill 2 pike and 1 crossbow. I lost 1 knight. (50-17)
It is barely captured. I just see more Egypt borders, so still no clue where the last of Brazil’s cities are.
I thought the mystery borders with Austria. Instead, we are screwed and gain Israel as an enemy.
As close as they are, I don’t know why we didn’t already find them.
I hit the Aztecs again. I kill 8 pikes, 2 crossbows, 3 chariots, 1 eagle warrior and 1 camel. I lost 1 knight and 1 enslaver. 1 new worker was gained. (65-19)
The main stack is still large enough that I have to scroll. I kill a Maghreb crossbow. (66-19)
(IT) I kill 1 Aztec camel. I lost 1 arquebusier. (67-20)
I lost 2 knights and 2 elephants approaching an Egyptian city. (67-24)
I start research on naval guns at 5 turns. We badly need more science. Delhi switches to Supreme Court due in 1 turn. Many of our semi-corrupt cities will be building courts. Corruption is hurting us. Korea completes Buddhist Art.

 

[LKendter]

1822 AD (4)
I kill a stupid Brazil landing of 1 MDI by Salvador. (68-24)
I assault Belo Horizonte again. I kill 1 pike. (69-24)
This time I capture it.
I hit the Aztecs again. I kill 6 MDI, 3 pikes, 1 crossbow, 4 eagle warriors and 1 camel. I lost 1 knight of the realm, 1 elephant, 1 camel and 2 knights. (84-29)
The stack is still massive. The good news is the defense 3 and 4 units are gone. It is getting easier to kill the stack.
I kill a Maghreb crossbow. (85-29)
I withdraw the stack near Egypt. I need to get a more units together before trying again.
(IT) 2 knights are killed. An Egyptian lawyer is dead.
Britain shows up to talk. I have no idea how we got contact. War has begun.
The Supreme Court is built.
I was hoping the Aztecs were done, but another decent stack is on the way. They foolishly split the stacks.