TimBentley
Deity
Anar hasn't been on since 9/25 (he could be lurking, I guess, but this would be a long wait for him), but frrosch has been on recently.
Lo5 01 - The Puppetmaster
- Thread starter LawOfFives
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frrosch
Chieftain
sorry guys, but I still don't find the time to play. Please skip me again. I hope it'll be better next week, but I can't even guarantee that.
Anar
Chieftain
Indeed I have been lurking. I am checking the topic everyday. I thought it's LawofFives turn now. Last turn he wanted to be skipped, and I figured out it was not permanent skip, but only for the last turn. In this case I will deliver the save in 4 hours or so.
Anar
Chieftain
Unfortunately my Civ3Conquests doesn't work for some reason. When I am starting the game it throws an error. I will try to fix ASAP, but for now feel free to skip me. If I happen to be quicker than next person in roster I'll post the save.
TimBentley
Deity
Lo5 and TheLoneMan still haven't been on and frrosch posted inavailability above, so I got it.
TimBentley
Deity
Wow, almost 2 weeks without a set played (some of it my fault, I know)
830(0): sell metallurgy to Spain for navigation, 360g, 92gpt
sell education to Celts for WM, 103g
sell banking to America for printing press, music theory, WM, 2g
sell TM to Carthage for WM
sell WM to Germany for 14gpt, WM
sell WM to Spain for WM, 8g
upgrade 4 knights
kill 2 hoplites to raze Delphi
Give Mycenae to Spain
some MM
840(1): lose 2 sipahi killing 6 ACs
entire army basically is upgraded other than some stuff that isn't worth the effort
850(2): zzz
860(3): switch Giuseppe to Bach's as Newton prebuild
Verulamium defended by 2/5 hoplite
IBT: Arabia and Greece fight
Celts, Spain sign MA against Greece
learn physics, start on ToG
870(4): sell physics, WM to Spain for WM, 134gpt, 462g
capture Verulamium
there's 8 Arabian archers by Verulamium, so gift it to Spain
880(5): Spanish pikes in the way
890(6): somebody razed a Greek city and Spain captured Corinth, so there's Lugdunum in the north and three tundra cities in the south
IBT: Salamanca built Sistine
others switch to Bach's and/or Magellan
900(7): zzz
IBT: learn ToG, start on magnetism
910(8): capture Lugdunum
sell astronomy to Celts for WM, 4gpt, 10g, 3 Greek workers
cancel MA with Spain; sign peace with Greece, get Ephesus, Eretria, 4g, WM
a corrupt tundra city is pretty useless, so probably those two cities should be gifted to Spain soon
oops, reg sipahi was created
IBT: Ansar warriors kill 2 sipahi
920(9): zzz
IBT: lose another sipahi
930(10): zzz
Notes: I'd suggest holding on to ToG until Newton's is finished or Magellan's and Bach are both built (to avoid cascade)
Economics is available if you want it (military tradition for it from America)
We could sign a RoP with Celts for easier attacking of Arabia, or we could declare war on Celts in 5 turns
Probably should gift Ephesus and Eretria to Greece now
830(0): sell metallurgy to Spain for navigation, 360g, 92gpt
sell education to Celts for WM, 103g
sell banking to America for printing press, music theory, WM, 2g
sell TM to Carthage for WM
sell WM to Germany for 14gpt, WM
sell WM to Spain for WM, 8g
upgrade 4 knights
kill 2 hoplites to raze Delphi
Give Mycenae to Spain
some MM
840(1): lose 2 sipahi killing 6 ACs
entire army basically is upgraded other than some stuff that isn't worth the effort
850(2): zzz
860(3): switch Giuseppe to Bach's as Newton prebuild
Verulamium defended by 2/5 hoplite
IBT: Arabia and Greece fight
Celts, Spain sign MA against Greece
learn physics, start on ToG
870(4): sell physics, WM to Spain for WM, 134gpt, 462g
capture Verulamium
there's 8 Arabian archers by Verulamium, so gift it to Spain
880(5): Spanish pikes in the way
890(6): somebody razed a Greek city and Spain captured Corinth, so there's Lugdunum in the north and three tundra cities in the south
IBT: Salamanca built Sistine
others switch to Bach's and/or Magellan
900(7): zzz
IBT: learn ToG, start on magnetism
910(8): capture Lugdunum
sell astronomy to Celts for WM, 4gpt, 10g, 3 Greek workers
cancel MA with Spain; sign peace with Greece, get Ephesus, Eretria, 4g, WM
a corrupt tundra city is pretty useless, so probably those two cities should be gifted to Spain soon
oops, reg sipahi was created
IBT: Ansar warriors kill 2 sipahi
920(9): zzz
IBT: lose another sipahi
930(10): zzz
Notes: I'd suggest holding on to ToG until Newton's is finished or Magellan's and Bach are both built (to avoid cascade)
Economics is available if you want it (military tradition for it from America)
We could sign a RoP with Celts for easier attacking of Arabia, or we could declare war on Celts in 5 turns
Probably should gift Ephesus and Eretria to Greece now
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TimBentley
Deity
The roster:
Pneuma - up
Anar - on deck
Lo5
Frrosch
TheLoneMan
TimBentley - just played
Pneuma - up
Anar - on deck
Lo5
Frrosch
TheLoneMan
TimBentley - just played
T0 930
Made embassies with everyone else (celts have no iron and no horses, and Washington will get JS Bach's in 2 turns (Entremont gets it in 4))
IBT
Spain finishes off Greece
Aydin Sipahi>sipahi
Spain has econ, starts Smith's
T1 940
Rop, MA against Arabia with celts
Raze Camlodunum, no losses (high Arabian AND celtic culture, AND far away from the palace? No thanks)
Take Alesia because it has three sources of ivory in its radius
IBT
Ansar kills a sipahi
Magnetism comes in (Nationalism is free tech), set research to steam power>industrialism (6 turns)
Washington builds JS Bachs
t2 950
Rush settler in athens (to get more gems)
IBT
Athens settler>library
Bursa sipahi>sipahi
Skoupa uni>barracks
Arabs build Magellans in Najran, which is 2 tiles away from Alesia
Spanish/Americans start smith' (with JS Bach/Magellan's overflow)
T3 960
Najran, Basra fall, one loss (keep both)
IBT
Arabs kill 1 sipahi, lose an ansar
Henson aqueduct>market
Edrine, Kafa sipahi>sipahi
T4 970
Take Baghdad (and Arabia's only connected local source of iron!)
America: alliance v arabs for alliance v arabs + ivory + wines +3gpt, this will stop their source of horses and ensure they get no iron
IBT
Sneaky celts take our city spot at the gems
Selfishville sipahi>sipahi
Kafa uni>barracks
Arabs kill 1 sipahi
T5 980
Burn mecca, lose 1 sipahi
T6 990
Take Medina, Arabia is essentially boned at this point
IBT
Giuseppe newtons>sipahi
Arabia resettles near mecca's ruins
Izmit sipahi>sipahi
Antalya uni>barracks
Skoupa barracks>sipahi
T7 1000
Take Kafah and autoraze Yamama
IBT
Steam power! (5 to industry)
Edrine sipahi>sipahi
T8 1010
Switch izmit to the iron works
Start work on a trans-continental railroad
IBT
Arabs lose 2 LBs
Bursa, Konya sipahi>sipahi
Mugla sipahi>market
T9 1020
Take Khurasan, Damascus, and Anjar, the last three arabian cities on the mainland
(Stop here because it seems like a nice place to stop, and I really have to go)
Maybe rush some galleons to finish of the Arabs. After that, the Celts don't even have pikemen, but we have a rop with them because I didn't think to connect it and the MA.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/84841/LO5_1_1020_AD.SAV
(Thanks for the roster, Tim)
Made embassies with everyone else (celts have no iron and no horses, and Washington will get JS Bach's in 2 turns (Entremont gets it in 4))
IBT
Spain finishes off Greece
Aydin Sipahi>sipahi
Spain has econ, starts Smith's
T1 940
Rop, MA against Arabia with celts
Raze Camlodunum, no losses (high Arabian AND celtic culture, AND far away from the palace? No thanks)
Take Alesia because it has three sources of ivory in its radius
IBT
Ansar kills a sipahi
Magnetism comes in (Nationalism is free tech), set research to steam power>industrialism (6 turns)
Washington builds JS Bachs
t2 950
Rush settler in athens (to get more gems)
IBT
Athens settler>library
Bursa sipahi>sipahi
Skoupa uni>barracks
Arabs build Magellans in Najran, which is 2 tiles away from Alesia
Spanish/Americans start smith' (with JS Bach/Magellan's overflow)
T3 960
Najran, Basra fall, one loss (keep both)
IBT
Arabs kill 1 sipahi, lose an ansar
Henson aqueduct>market
Edrine, Kafa sipahi>sipahi
T4 970
Take Baghdad (and Arabia's only connected local source of iron!)
America: alliance v arabs for alliance v arabs + ivory + wines +3gpt, this will stop their source of horses and ensure they get no iron
IBT
Sneaky celts take our city spot at the gems
Selfishville sipahi>sipahi
Kafa uni>barracks
Arabs kill 1 sipahi
T5 980
Burn mecca, lose 1 sipahi
T6 990
Take Medina, Arabia is essentially boned at this point
IBT
Giuseppe newtons>sipahi
Arabia resettles near mecca's ruins
Izmit sipahi>sipahi
Antalya uni>barracks
Skoupa barracks>sipahi
T7 1000
Take Kafah and autoraze Yamama
IBT
Steam power! (5 to industry)
Edrine sipahi>sipahi
T8 1010
Switch izmit to the iron works
Start work on a trans-continental railroad
IBT
Arabs lose 2 LBs
Bursa, Konya sipahi>sipahi
Mugla sipahi>market
T9 1020
Take Khurasan, Damascus, and Anjar, the last three arabian cities on the mainland
(Stop here because it seems like a nice place to stop, and I really have to go)
Maybe rush some galleons to finish of the Arabs. After that, the Celts don't even have pikemen, but we have a rop with them because I didn't think to connect it and the MA.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/84841/LO5_1_1020_AD.SAV
(Thanks for the roster, Tim)
TimBentley
Deity
Is Anar's C3C working yet? Are Lo5, frrosch, or TheLoneMan able to play?
frrosch
Chieftain
I could play a set either today, tomorrow or wednesday. Afterwards I'm in Italy for a few days and when I'm back home school starts again. (Means I won't find time to play again after wednesday)
TimBentley
Deity
It's after Wednesday, so probably I'll end up playing it tomorrow. If any of the four people I mentioned can play, go ahead and say so.
TimBentley
Deity
Got it; playing now.
TimBentley
Deity
I think I spent most of the time building railroads.
1020(0): buy spices from Carthage for furs, ivory, 13gpt
allows 0% lux
some MM
IBT: GA ended
1030-1050(1-3): zzz
IBT: Kufah flips
1060(4): recapture Kufah
IBT: learn industrialization, start on electricity
1070(5): found Urfa and Bingol
start a few factories
sell steam power to Spain for 261gpt, 88g, WM
gift them coal
1080-1100(6-8): zzz
IBT: Carthage starts Shakespeare's; they've entered the industrial age
1110-1120(9-10): zzz
Notes: faster workers would be nice, so RP next sounds good
Deals with Celts end in 2 turns; hopefully we should be able to conquer them in 2 turns
last MA against Arabs ends in 5 turns, I see no reason to continue the war (their two cities won't add much)
Unfortunately, it seems that pneuma is the only other one around
1020(0): buy spices from Carthage for furs, ivory, 13gpt
allows 0% lux
some MM
IBT: GA ended
1030-1050(1-3): zzz
IBT: Kufah flips
1060(4): recapture Kufah
IBT: learn industrialization, start on electricity
1070(5): found Urfa and Bingol
start a few factories
sell steam power to Spain for 261gpt, 88g, WM
gift them coal
1080-1100(6-8): zzz
IBT: Carthage starts Shakespeare's; they've entered the industrial age
1110-1120(9-10): zzz
Notes: faster workers would be nice, so RP next sounds good
Deals with Celts end in 2 turns; hopefully we should be able to conquer them in 2 turns
last MA against Arabs ends in 5 turns, I see no reason to continue the war (their two cities won't add much)
Unfortunately, it seems that pneuma is the only other one around
TimBentley
Deity
Losing by space would be boring, so I suggest we lose by domination. This would imply cleansing the other continent of all other civilizations. We'd probably have to abandon some of our cities on our continent as well.
I guess its still my turn.
T0 1120
Some micro, prepare for a lightning strike on Celts
T1 1130
Focus workers on a railroad, not improving land
IBT
Electricity>rep parts
T2 1140
nothing
T3 1150
Declare on celts (no ROP rape)
America has been supplying them with iron. For reasons which in retrospect can only be described as overestimation, block that off with a MA for furs + 8gpt.
Take Richborough, Eboracum, Entremont, Burdigala, and Agedinicum (losing 2 sipahi, a warrior, and an archer, but get a leader, finally)
IBT
Renegotiate rop with spain to add 4gpt to our pockets
Start heroic epic in Giuseppe
T4 1160
Take Augustodunum, no losses
IBT
Renegotiate iron/silk deal with spain to add 20 gpt
Lose an elite sipahi
T5 1170
Gergovia falls (1 loss) and the celts are out of the game
Rush 2 galleons with which to finish off the Arabs
Start making galleons in the core so we can go kick ass on the western continent
T6/7 1180/90
Nothing
IBT
RP>medicine (four sources of rubber, 2 connected)
T8 1200
Fustat, Aden fall with no losses, the Arabs are finished
IBT
Heroic epic built
T9 1210
Nothing
IBT
Spain ROP rapes us and takes athens, Kafa, Jim Henson, Skoupa, burns one of those worthless tundra cities we had near spanish land
Riots in Giussepe, scroll ahead to prevent more
T10 1220
Take back all the aforementioned cities, kill all spanish troops I can see, and stop half a turn early for discussion
Personally, I would advocate taking everything spain has, save one city, which we will then surround with our own troops to prevent them from being finished off and to prevent them from leaving, although this is boring and removes all the challenge from the variant. At very least, we should take the cities not in Spain proper, especially Mycenae and Verulanium.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/84841/LO5_1_1220_AD.SAV
T0 1120
Some micro, prepare for a lightning strike on Celts
T1 1130
Focus workers on a railroad, not improving land
IBT
Electricity>rep parts
T2 1140
nothing
T3 1150
Declare on celts (no ROP rape)
America has been supplying them with iron. For reasons which in retrospect can only be described as overestimation, block that off with a MA for furs + 8gpt.
Take Richborough, Eboracum, Entremont, Burdigala, and Agedinicum (losing 2 sipahi, a warrior, and an archer, but get a leader, finally)
IBT
Renegotiate rop with spain to add 4gpt to our pockets
Start heroic epic in Giuseppe
T4 1160
Take Augustodunum, no losses
IBT
Renegotiate iron/silk deal with spain to add 20 gpt
Lose an elite sipahi
T5 1170
Gergovia falls (1 loss) and the celts are out of the game
Rush 2 galleons with which to finish off the Arabs
Start making galleons in the core so we can go kick ass on the western continent
T6/7 1180/90
Nothing
IBT
RP>medicine (four sources of rubber, 2 connected)
T8 1200
Fustat, Aden fall with no losses, the Arabs are finished
IBT
Heroic epic built
T9 1210
Nothing
IBT
Spain ROP rapes us and takes athens, Kafa, Jim Henson, Skoupa, burns one of those worthless tundra cities we had near spanish land
Riots in Giussepe, scroll ahead to prevent more
T10 1220
Take back all the aforementioned cities, kill all spanish troops I can see, and stop half a turn early for discussion
Personally, I would advocate taking everything spain has, save one city, which we will then surround with our own troops to prevent them from being finished off and to prevent them from leaving, although this is boring and removes all the challenge from the variant. At very least, we should take the cities not in Spain proper, especially Mycenae and Verulanium.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/84841/LO5_1_1220_AD.SAV
TimBentley
Deity
I must have missed your earlier post. Got it.
@choxorn: Oops. It didn't make a big difference though, so I'll just have to take them back.
@choxorn: Oops. It didn't make a big difference though, so I'll just have to take them back.
