Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
Of course he does. There is no doubt he committed the crimes in question, so the only real objection to an execution for war crimes of this magnitude is removed.
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Of course he does. There is no doubt he committed the crimes in question, so the only real objection to an execution for war crimes of this magnitude is removed.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Nope. I can't support executions even if I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person is guilty.
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
Why not? It's just an extension of imprisonment, which takes years of life away from someone. Execution is simply a permanent measure, with the added benefit of being satisfying.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
I rest my case.
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"[a]says the Lord. Romans 12:19
What if I dont beleive in god? Then what?
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Then I guess being a human being doesn't apply anymore, and you have every right to be hateful and vengeful? 
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
Then I guess being a human being doesn't apply anymore, and you have every right to be hateful and vengeful?
Humans are vengeful creatures by nature, that's the foundation of the justice system. Since the choice between life imprisonment and death is equal as I see it, the criminal is just getting a chance to give people some good feelings.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
No, that is actually the basis for barbaric justice systems:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment
I can see why you are so proud to be a member of this select group.
cubsfan6506
Got u
I do find it funny that you say the lockerbie bomber deserves pity, i do agree with you, but that this guy doesn't.
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
Can't say I'm exactly embarrassed that the US holds less executions per-capita than Japan.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Wrong. The justice system exists to teach a lesson to the punished. It does not exist to exact vengeance. You think he deserves to die? Go kill him. But you should be punished for taking his life.
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
The justice system has a number of goals, including retribution, rehabilitation, and containment. Retributive justice is at least part of the foundation of all major legal systems. Is it logical? No, but it works for people.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Retributive "justice" only exists in systems that deliver capital punishment. But it should not be a purpose of the justice system at all.
And Rehabilitation is a part of that "lesson-teaching."
So are you saying that the position in favor of capital punishment doesn't make sense? But weren't you just defending it? What gives?
Miles Teg
Nuclear Powered Mentat
Capital Punishment is the only form of Retributive justice?
Cheezy, thank you, thank you very much. I haven't laughed that hard in days.
Most justice is retributionary. I'm not talking about ancient systems were "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" were literal precepts, I'm talking about modern systems here.
Civil lawsuits are probably the only place were restorative justice is commonly practiced. Retributive and "lesson teaching" is the foundation of Criminal Law. Obviously, things like drub rehab are primarily "lesson teaching", but if that was the primary goal, we wouldn't be putting people in prison, which statistically leads to them committing more crimes.
I'm saying it's not strictly logical. In the context of human nature however, capital punishment makes sense. It satisfy the baser urges of the populace and serves as a stark threat to would be criminals.
How is Justice and closure for the victims family not a purpose of the Justice System?
As a hypothetical, if a person rapes somebody and it is scientific fact that some new form of "rehabilitation" can "cure" the rapist so that they never ever again rape someone and are without a doubt no threat to society in a span of two years, do you believe it's ok to then let them out? Or should they also serve a form of punishment and be put longer than what is needed for rehabilitation??
As a hypothetical, if a person rapes somebody and it is scientific fact that some new form of "rehabilitation" can "cure" the rapist so that they never ever again rape someone and are without a doubt no threat to society in a span of two years, do you believe it's ok to then let them out? Or should they also serve a form of punishment and be put longer than what is needed for rehabilitation??
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Thats referring to the soul, and done after death. Whether the body dies executed or of old age in prison is immaterial to that.
If your going to quote scripture at least do it intelligently.
Japan is 'barbaric'?
aelf
Ashen One
Except that the Libyan guy has a few months to live and this guy had more than a few decades?
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Doesnt that remain to be seen in the Libyans case?
