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[D'Artagnan59]

Exactly what I thought of it in my conversation.

The dream was what I wanted to happen. In reality, I used it as toilet paper and sent it back.

 

[Justo]

To: Prussia
From: Sweden

Do you really think the Prussian people want to see their lands scorched? Sweden believes your people and Generals would sooner eliminate their insane leadership then destroy their own lands.

 

[Fuschia]

Japan has embarked on a naked land grab and has shown insane militaristic agressiveness of late - unless they are suitably crushed we fear they will continue to make trouble. You are hardly in the position to make demands. Besides - trying grab Malaya? thats going to get you wiped out.

Japan has done nothing but what the British have done. Also, Malaya? Where is Malaya, and what have I done with it? Unless you were talking to Japan, in which case it has nothing to do with the Prussian Union...

The seizure of Prussian african assets was to allow the British empire barginning power in your conflict without having to invade the Prussian mainland with its attendent loss of life (ditto Baltic naval actions). Your unprovoked attacks on Russia, your threats of annexation to sweden, and your association with the Japanese regime are all unacceptable security threats for the Empire.

Because you obviously do not understand the concept of bargaining power, I will explain it to you. The only way in which the seizure of Prussian assets counts as an increase to your bargaining power is if you are willing to return it to Prussia in the peace treaty for more favorable terms elsewhere; that is how bargaining works. Otherwise you are doing nothing but grabbing land and then hoping that Prussia folds and you get to keep it.

Our threats of annexation to Sweden were well justified, as was our attack on Russia, although you will never believe so, we am sure. Sweden attacked our allies in Finland and, therefore, is no better than Prussia is in your eyes; if you are so willing to marginalize the power of Prussia, you should be doing the same to Sweden. Regardless, our attacks on Russia were not unprovoked; Russia answered our attempts at reasonable diplomacy with violent remarks that we took as their being hostile towards us, although not at war until they thought they could win. If you don't believe us, that is your choice; Prussia and its citizens know they are in the right and will not cave to the demands of a land-grabbing nation such as yourself, America, and Russia. In all fact, the only nation that has been remotely reasonable about this peace treaty is France who, while they have broken their word and invaded Prussia, is certainly a better and more honorable nation than any of our other opponents.

To: Prussia
From: Sweden

Do you really think the Prussian people want to see their lands scorched? Sweden believes your people and Generals would sooner eliminate their insane leadership then destroy their own lands.

To: Sweden
From: Prussia

Really, what is the point? Prussia and its people have made their decision when it comes to Russia's insane "peace" treaty. Nothing you say will make a difference, because Sweden has absolutely zero effect on what happens in Prussia.

 

[Captain2]

To:The World
From:Russia

we will shed some light on this war and why it began, we offered to purchase the Baltic from Prussia and they would only allow it in exchange for an alliance which we turned down because we felt conflict between Prussia and its neighbors was inevitable.

pure and simple Russia was invaded to bring them under Prussian influence despite our messages to Prussia along the lines of "no thank you, however we will not attack you in future conflicts as we have things to deal with internally right now" . peace terms were originally set at giving up St.Petersburg and the Ukraine and the terms only changed when things began going poorly and we felt the terms were acceptable but that Prussia would just use the opportunity to build back up and attack us again, things have become worse since then such as the burning and looting of Russian land, we feel a zone is needed in case of another war so they have to march quite a while before they can try and hurt Russian civillians agian. this is why we insist so heavily upon our peace and will continue to do so.

 

[Disenfrancised]

Japan has done nothing but what the British have done. Also, Malaya? Where is Malaya, and what have I done with it? Unless you were talking to Japan, in which case it has nothing to do with the Prussian Union...

Uh, look it up on wiki? If Japan has nothing to do with the PU, then you cannot request that the allies make peace with japan as part of a condition on your peace. Either you are co-belligerents or seperate.

Because you obviously do not understand the concept of bargaining power, I will explain it to you. The only way in which the seizure of Prussian assets counts as an increase to your bargaining power is if you are willing to return it to Prussia in the peace treaty for more favorable terms elsewhere; that is how bargaining works. Otherwise you are doing nothing but grabbing land and then hoping that Prussia folds and you get to keep it.

Land is not the only thing fool, the seized territories contain Prussian commercial assets and citizenry. And the original intention was on returning it to Prussia, once you stopped being foolish, though now with the entry of France and US that doesn't really seem necessary.

Our threats of annexation to Sweden were well justified, as was our attack on Russia, although you will never believe so, we am sure. Sweden attacked our allies in Finland and, therefore, is no better than Prussia is in your eyes; if you are so willing to marginalize the power of Prussia, you should be doing the same to Sweden.

That is irrelevant - your stated intention was annex Sweden, giving you their iron reserves, domination of the Baltic and a common border with Norway. That is not something Britain was willing to allow, thus British power is utilized to prevent it. You're both as bad as each other, thus morality is neutral and strategic concerns are paramount.

Regardless, our attacks on Russia were not unprovoked; Russia answered our attempts at reasonable diplomacy with violent remarks that we took as their being hostile towards us, although not at war until they thought they could win. If you don't believe us, that is your choice; Prussia and its citizens know they are in the right and will not cave to the demands of a land-grabbing nation such as yourself, America, and Russia. In all fact, the only nation that has been remotely reasonable about this peace treaty is France who, while they have broken their word and invaded Prussia, is certainly a better and more honorable nation than any of our other opponents.

You attacked Russia without any diplomatic formalities or attention to the just conduct of war, and your actions elsewhere seriously threatened the peace and security of the global status quo. You actions may have had reasonable cause, but they are still in error.

 

[sp1023]

TO: Prussia
From: The Hellenic Republic:


We shall be staying in the EEPP until you as a country are wiped out, if you are.

@ Luckymoose: Can I take this country? Where is it?
Dominion of the Plate/
Capital: Bairdstown
Parliamentary Democracy
Dissent: 22%
Global Opinion: Liked
Base IC: 11
Military Spending: 4
Public Spending: 1
Private Enterprise: 6
Army: 13 Divisions
Army Quality: 4
Navy: 1 Goliath Battleship, 7 Escort Groups, 30 Light Vessel Groups
Navy Quality: 5
Air Force:
Air Force Quality:

 

[Fuschia]

Uh, look it up on wiki? If Japan has nothing to do with the PU, then you cannot request that the allies make peace with japan as part of a condition on your peace. Either you are co-belligerents or seperate.

The fact is, we absolved Japan as to any obligation to enter the war and, now that we think through our position more carefully, it was completely their own decision to do so. We doubt that our alliance with them would have changed Japan's actions at all. As such, we withdraw our requirement of a peace offer to Japan.

Land is not the only thing fool, the seized territories contain Prussian commercial assets and citizenry. And the original intention was on returning it to Prussia, once you stopped being foolish, though now with the entry of France and US that doesn't really seem necessary.

So, you started with good intentions and then turned the war into a land-grab? Although we do not see you as necessarily have started out with these intentions, the ends are more important than justification or means; your demand for Prussian territory in Africa, while very realistic and acceptable in our view, does not make the end result any different from what Romania or Japan were hoping for in the beginning of their entrance into this war.

You attacked Russia without any diplomatic formalities or attention to the just conduct of war, and your actions elsewhere seriously threatened the peace and security of the global status quo. You actions may have had reasonable cause, but they are still in error.

This is a very reasonable position, and we do not see any holes in it. The fact is, however, the entrance of the United Kingdom into the war was no different until we threatened British interests which was not,as to your own admission, not until we annexed Sweden, which was not something that was, realistically, going to happen. Your entrance into this war has done little to help the situation for anyone, least of all the United Kingdom.

To: The Hellenic Republic
From: The Prussian Union

You must choose a side, Greece. If you pick ours, you will be at war with France until a separate or complete peace is signed with them; if this is your wish, then continue on your current course of action. Otherwise, we advise you to remain neutral for the time being.

 

[Luckymoose]

@ Luckymoose: Can I take this country? Where is it?
Dominion of the Plate/
Capital: Bairdstown
Parliamentary Democracy
Dissent: 22%
Global Opinion: Liked
Base IC: 11
Military Spending: 4
Public Spending: 1
Private Enterprise: 6
Army: 13 Divisions
Army Quality: 4
Navy: 1 Goliath Battleship, 7 Escort Groups, 30 Light Vessel Groups
Navy Quality: 5
Air Force:
Air Force Quality:

That would be the blue-green nation in South America.

 

[DarthNader]

From: Romania
To: All participants in the Prussian War, and Japan

A treaty has been drafted, which I believe is adequate. I have named it The Treaty of Bucharest.

OOC: HA! Take that every other city that has a treaty named after it. Now Romania has her share of treaties!

The treaty is as follows.

The Treaty of Bucharest

1.) German East Africa is to be surrendered to the United States.
2.) German West Africa is to be surrendered to Great Britain
3.) Reparations in the form of 20 IC payed over four years is to be given to Russia
4.) Prussia is to give 6 IC to Russia strictly for the construction of fortifications on the Prussian/Russian border.
5.) Prussia is to surrender Estonia and the northern half of Latvia to Russia (Russia may do what ever they please with said territory).
6.) Japan is to surrender all of its new found territory to its original proprietors.
7.) Japan's military is to be inactive for two years.
8.) Finland is to become Russian territory (except for the northern part, which is to be Swedish territory).
9.) Prussia's military is to be restricted to the numbers posted by the proposed Russian treaty (will be edited later).
10.) Prussia's military is to be inactive for five years.
11.) Prussia is allowed only one Military IC to spend for two years time.
12.) Reparations to the United States and Great Britain are to be payed by Japan in the form of 3 IC each.

OOC: When I do this...I feel Swiss. Just think...ROMANIA, THE NEW SWITZERLAND!!! Heh...

 

[Luckymoose]

Japan rejects this. We will accept peace with some territorial concessions.

 

[DarthNader]

After Prussia's note, I have revised the treaty.

1.) German East Africa is to be surrendered to the United States.
2.) German West Africa is to be surrendered to Great Britain
3.) Reparations in the form of 20 IC payed over four years is to be given to Russia
4.) Prussia is to give 6 IC to Russia strictly for the construction of fortifications on the Prussian/Russian border.
5.) Prussia is to surrender Estonia and the northern half of Latvia to Russia (Russia may do what ever they please with said territory).
8.) Finland is to become Russian territory (except for the northern part, which is to be Swedish territory).
9.) Prussia's military is to be restricted to the numbers posted by the proposed Russian treaty (will be edited later).
10.) Prussia's military is to be inactive for five years.
11.) Prussia is allowed only one Military IC to spend for two years time.

 

[DarthNader]

OOC: Thanks to my slow typing...I need to change the treaty...again!

 

[D'Artagnan59]

Wait, shouldn't I get West Africa?

 

[germanicus12]

To Romania; world
From France

France rejects the treaty on the basis that you have no authority to back up said treaty as you are no longer in the war. Best leave it the nations that hold the respective power to keep the treaty upheld. Also how is this treaty different from the others we have put foward? And I dont mean in words, I mean in ideals and terms.

 

[carmen510]

OOC: Orders sent.

 

[germanicus12]

To Japan
From France

France does not want to see Japan destroyed by war when diplomacy can resolve our issues. Therefore France proposes this treaty:

Franco-Japanese Peace Treaty

1) The Empire of Japan will return all territories taken from France to France.

2) The Empire of Japan will pay reparations amounting to 3 IC to the French Empire.

Is this agreeable? If so please sign it.

 

[Luckymoose]

To Japan
From France

France does not want to see Japan destroyed by war when diplomacy can resolve our issues. Therefore France proposes this treaty:

Franco-Japanese Peace Treaty

1) The Empire of Japan will return all territories taken from France to France.

2) The Empire of Japan will pay reparations amounting to 3 IC to the French Empire.

Is this agreeable? If so please sign it.

Japan will sign this treaty if France agrees to keep other powers currently not in the war out of the combat, China being a major power problem. This war is one of pre-war treaty and thus should not be expanded for militaristic or expansionist goals.

 

[germanicus12]

To Japan
From France

We have no control over what other nations can do. We can ask them not to get themselves involved, but ultimitely it rests on you and your relations with the other nations. France will attack if only a direct threat is posed against us. But France will not attack you if you agree to give up our lands in Asia and give them back to us and our 3 IC. This is a promise.

 

[DarthNader]

France rejects the treaty on the basis that you have no authority to back up said treaty as you are no longer in the war. Best leave it the nations that hold the respective power to keep the treaty upheld. Also how is this treaty different from the others we have put foward? And I dont mean in words, I mean in ideals and terms.

To: France
From: Romania

Like we have stated before, we believe this is an particularly ugly war and we wish to see it ended for the good of Europe as a whole. We posed the treaty as a middleman since the treaties "the allies" were posing to Prussia were not favorable the Prussians, and vice versa.

We deeply apologize if the proposed treaty offended France, we were only trying to help.

 

[sp1023]

To: The Hellenic Republic
From: The Prussian Union

You must choose a side, Greece. If you pick ours, you will be at war with France until a separate or complete peace is signed with them; if this is your wish, then continue on your current course of action. Otherwise, we advise you to remain neutral for the time being.

We have chosen a side. But we will not participate in war. We will stay in the EEPP as a research nation, with absolutely no part in war. We will be staying neutral.