[GS] Māori Discussion Thread

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Is this the first real two UIs? (I know that the Khmer are also basically that).

Yes, although the Legions can build "Roman" forts in the Classical Era, but that's different as well.
Edit: Forgot about Brazil getting the Copacabana as well in R&F.

 

[Jkchart]

Is this the first real two UIs? (I know that the Khmer are also basically that).

Roman Legion's build Roman Forts so they're very similar in that regard.

EDIT: Curse you @Alexander's Hetaroi you got there first

 

[Tech Osen]

No writer GP? Where does it say that?

What are passable features besides Floodplains? Oasis?

Under Mana.

 

[Giskler]

Buttress eureka boost.

 

[Tinker]

Looks really unique and fun, not unlike Polynesia in Civ 5 except more extreme. Very cool.

"Passable features" is confusing, though - do they mean tiles with bonuses on them on top of normal terrain features, or what?

 

[Siptah]

Woods and jungles are features as well.

But do they count as passable? The require extra movement.

Edit: A Pa gives +4 CS.
Toa have 40 strength.

 

[Kimiimaro]

The symbol of the Maori Civ:

 

[rattatatouille]

I love that they included "cannot harvest resources" not just for flavor, but also to prevent the Toa from becoming the Legion, but better.

 

[Leyrann]

OP - until you read the description. "Resources cannot be harvested" "Great Writers cannot be earned"

So, they're kind of like another Kongo - some strong bonuses, but with some downsides. Certainly a very unique civ to play with.

So they're only

1. Starting a mile ahead of everyone else.
2. Better conquerors than classical era Romans.
3. Better seafarers than Norway.
4. Gaining free lumbermills on all forest and jungle tiles (yes I know jungle can't normally build lumbermills), plus 2 culture and 2 faith on those and flood plains if you invest in an Amphitheater.

This is honestly the first time my first thought was "OP".

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Now, that's a BIG personality!!

Love how animated his … uh, animation is.

 

[pgm123]

Not being able to harvest resources seems like a fairly steep penalty, though it's not mentioned in the voiced overview, only the text.

Yeah, that's definitely a big deal. It also limits district placement.

 

[Onii-chan]

This sounds both fun, original and incredibly strong

I loooove the idea of starting in the ocean and sailing around before settling, without really falling behind for waiting. Great civ design

 

[Leyrann]

I love that they included "cannot harvest resources" not just for flavor, but also to prevent the Toa from becoming the Legion, but better.

Sorry, how is this not a better version of the legion?

Combat strength: Same.
Can build a fort: Both yes.
Enemy gets -5 combat strength: Only Toa.

 

[Jkchart]

OP - until you read the description. "Resources cannot be harvested" "Great Writers cannot be earned"

So, they're kind of like another Kongo - some strong bonuses, but with some downsides. Certainly a very unique civ to play with.

Ok so there's a bit of a balance, which is nice.

 

[bite]

Him i wounder if the Great Writer thing is in for the civ or not?

 

[Xandinho]

They are very very interesting to play, a really unique gameplay. And that music....

Thanks Firaxis

 

[UWHabs]

So they're only

1. Starting a mile ahead of everyone else.
2. Better conquerors than classical era Romans.
3. Better seafarers than Norway.
4. Gaining free lumbermills on all forest and jungle tiles (yes I know jungle can't normally build lumbermills), plus 2 culture and 2 faith on those and flood plains if you invest in an Amphitheater.

This is honestly the first time my first thought was "OP".

Don't forget the extra housing/amenity in the palace, and the extra food on sea resources. They definitely feel very ripe for abuse. I do wonder if the best strategy is to search far for a capital, or go settle quickly, though?

 

[Proclo]

If the Pa gets a specific model I hope roman fort will get it too

 

[Mr Jon of Cheam]

Definitely unique and interesting, makes some of the older civs seem very boring, I hope they will revamp more of them!

 

[Siptah]

So they're only

1. Starting a mile ahead of everyone else.
2. Better conquerors than classical era Romans.
3. Better seafarers than Norway.
4. Gaining free lumbermills on all forest and jungle tiles (yes I know jungle can't normally build lumbermills), plus 2 culture and 2 faith on those and flood plains if you invest in an Amphitheater.

This is honestly the first time my first thought was "OP".

Well, I'm unsure if you want to build a lot of Theatre Districts. My feeling was always that the writers are the best of the Great WAM. Is it worth building those for extra culture and faith? We need to see how often it will feel right.

Edit: at 0:50 you can see that it works for forests and rainforests.