[GS] Māori Discussion Thread

[Greywulf]

Maori right now will be my second option. We will see what Phoenicia or the Inca bring to see if they will surpass them.

For me, as someone who is especially interested in the unique, in niche, I would doubt that they will surpass them. If they added the Inuit, I would be curious to see if they might surpass the Maori, as that seems more plausible, but the Maori as they are now are more unique and more niche than any other civ to date.
Granted, other civs could have better abilities to help with winning a certain victory, but that's a very competitive view of this, while I'm looking for something more immersive, and something that brings me a different experience than I would have with playing any other civ. This is why I'm so hyped about the Maori civ.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see those other civs too...Like you, I'm very fond of the idea of Mali as a civ, and am eager to play as them too.

 

[Leathaface]

I've been thinking about the Maori some, and getting all that culture and faith from every passable feature in a city could be ridiciulously powerful under the right circumstances. It would be worth the trade off for getting no great writers for sure.

I know the Maori will be late when going for a Culture victory, but boy will they be strong when they get started. Also, they will get to Humanism and Archeologists quicker than others because of their Culture output, so they won't be as held back as other Civs with regards to getting no great writers.

Plus all that faith in helping them purchasing great people and placing National Parks, they will be a strong Culture civ for certain.

 

[Harlequeen]

I want to point out that the Innu are a different people from the Inuit. Their language is Algonquian (closer to the Cree) as opposed to Eskimo-Aleut.

Sorry, my mistake. And one I shouldn't have made.

 

[Trav'ling Canuck]

Sorry, my mistake. And one I shouldn't have made.

I think that's a very understandable mix up.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

For me, as someone who is especially interested in the unique, in niche, I would doubt that they will surpass them. If they added the Inuit, I would be curious to see if they might surpass the Maori, as that seems more plausible, but the Maori as they are now are more unique and more niche than any other civ to date.
Granted, other civs could have better abilities to help with winning a certain victory, but that's a very competitive view of this, while I'm looking for something more immersive, and something that brings me a different experience than I would have with playing any other civ. This is why I'm so hyped about the Maori civ.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to see those other civs too...Like you, I'm very fond of the idea of Mali as a civ, and am eager to play as them too.

At this point any of the new Civs could be unique as well, especially the ones I am interested in.
There was mention of Phoenicia starting in the water as well but I don’t think that would be the case but thier unique district might be an inland harbor that may work like a canal in storing ships.
The Inca might get the chance to build improvements on mountain tiles earlier than any other Civ as well.
And of course I will play Mali first, no matter what they give them.

 

[Josephias]

There was mention of Phoenicia starting in the water as well but I don’t think that would be the case but thier unique district might be an inland harbor that may work like a canal in storing ships.

Actually, as the dock UD is taken, maybe the Phoenician UD is counted actually as an Unique Canal?

 

[pokiehl]

Actually, as the dock UD is taken, maybe the Phoenician UD is counted actually as an Unique Canal?

I wouldn't say anything is "taken" - there are 2 unique buildings which replace the temple, for example.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Actually, as the dock UD is taken, maybe the Phoenician UD is counted actually as an Unique Canal?

True, either way I expect it to be either a harbor that can act like a canal, or an earler canal replacement that can act like a harbor.

 

[Greywulf]

At this point any of the new Civs could be unique as well, especially the ones I am interested in.
There was mention of Phoenicia starting in the water as well but I don’t think that would be the case but thier unique district might be an inland harbor that may work like a canal in storing ships.
The Inca might get the chance to build improvements on mountain tiles earlier than any other Civ as well.
And of course I will play Mali first, no matter what they give them.

Well that would be niche if the Inca can use mountain tiles, and would make sense for their culture...I hope that's the case. That would be very cool, and would make me even more interested in the Inca than I already am.
No doubt we will try each new civ at least once anyway.

 

[Greywulf]

A question: If a Roman Legion represents about 5,000 men, how many men does a Maori Toa represent? Or how many men were typically in a group of toa? This unit is comparable to the Roman legion unit, so it got me thinking...Not sure if anyone will know how big a group of Maori toa were however?

 

[Uberfrog]

A question: If a Roman Legion represents about 5,000 men, how many men does a Maori Toa represent? Or how many men were typically in a group of toa? This unit is comparable to the Roman legion unit, so it got me thinking...Not sure if anyone will know how big a group of Maori toa were however?

Generally much smaller. A typical Māori war party, or taua, was limited by important crop planting seasons, and so before European contact it was limited to 70–140 men raiding for a few months of the year.

When the potato was introduced it revolutionised farming practices among the Māori and freed up far more men to go on much longer raiding expeditions of up to a year, with parties of maybe 2000 men during the devastating Musket Wars. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taua

 

[Greywulf]

Generally much smaller. A typical Māori war party, or taua, was limited by important crop planting seasons, and so before European contact it was limited to 70–140 men raiding for a few months of the year.

When the potato was introduced it revolutionised farming practices among the Māori and freed up far more men to go on much longer raiding expeditions of up to a year, with parties of maybe 2000 men during the devastating Musket Wars. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taua

2,000 is a bit more like it, though still quite short in comparison to 5,000. Thank you for sharing that!

Regarding the Musket Wars, I had thought that they could have given the Toa an ability that makes them much cheaper to upgrade to Musketman, which would make sense historically, since the Maori adapted the using muskets amazingly quickly...so quickly that the European settlers soon became very afraid. Of course, they have abilities already, and one wouldn't want to make the OP, but it was just a thought.

 

[Guandao]

Kupe's Agenda Approval message

His delegation offer. Another one with an unappetizing gift.

 

[Greywulf]

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Kupe's Agenda Approval message

Ironically, the Maori caused the extinction of different species of moa, and Haast's giant eagle, and possibly other animals too. Perhaps realizing that they wiped out a few species made them realize the importance of looking after the planet?

 

[Greywulf]

 

[Pietato]

They always looked after the mountains and water, though. It was the lack of protein which made them go animal crazy.

 

[Greywulf]

They always looked after the mountains and water, though. It was the lack of protein which made them go animal crazy.

They always had lots of seafood and fish in their diets, plus there's coconuts and potatoes, and bugs such as the huhu grub, so a variety of sources of protein...There was never a need to go "crazy" about it. They could have sustainably had birds and eggs in their diets.

 

[Pietato]

They always had lots of seafood and fish in their diets, plus there's coconuts and potatoes, and bugs such as the huhu grub, so a variety of sources of protein...There was never a need to go "crazy" about it. They could have sustainably had birds and eggs in their diets.

Coconuts? Potatoes? Um...coconuts have never grown in NZ, and potatoes were brought by Europeans. Plus, these are low protein foods...

Yes, they needed to create sustainable farms, but who actually understood that back then?

 

[bookman_]

Everywhere humans settled (apart from Africa), mega fauna went extinct soon after.
It sad, but it's not something exclusive to Maori.

 

[Greywulf]

Coconuts? Potatoes? Um...coconuts have never grown in NZ, and potatoes were brought by Europeans. Plus, these are low protein foods...

Yes, they needed to create sustainable farms, but who actually understood that back then?

Ah, right you are...Potatoes are a common traditional food for Polynesians, so I had thought that the Maori would have had brought some with them to New Zealand...it appears I was wrong. No coconuts in New Zealand? Well I guess it makes sense, as it is rather cold there. Still, there were traditionally a variety of eatable plants.