Made in the USA

[GoodGame]

You're getting quasi-silly if the logo is the print on the front of the shirt.

If the inside label of the shirt is wrongly labeled
'Made in America' then that already is fraud.

Recognize that the USA stands for constitutional freedoms, no communistic protectionism.

Do you think it should be legal to print "Made in the USA" on things made in sweatshops in places like the Northern Mariana Islands?

You could substitute any nation though and their territories.

I see it as false because "made in the usa" implies that american jobs are being secured and that the makers arent sweatshop workers, this is not always the case.

 

[GenMarshall]

Northern Mariana Islands is US territory.

My criteria of inside the US borders resides within the 50 states.

 

[Stylesrj]

My criteria of inside the US borders resides within the 50 states.

So if it was made in Guantanamo Bay... it's not a thing made in the US? Isn't Guantanamo Bay part of the United States? Or is it part of Cuba? Or is it neither?

 

[bhsup]

Okay, anyone who thinks a territory is NOT part of the United States then believes that everything made in Arizona before 1912, and Alaska and Hawaii before 1959 was not made in the United States. That's just silly.

@Stylesrj: I could be wrong, but I think we have a perpetual lease on Gitmo, so it is still Cuban territory, but we have an eternal right to pay rent for it until we decide we don't want to. I think...

EDIT: Oh, and oopsie, but Washington, D.C. is not a State nor does it reside within a State. Hope nothing made there is ever marked "Made in U.S.A."

 

[Mr. Dictator]

You're getting quasi-silly if the logo is the print on the front of the shirt.

If the inside label of the shirt is wrongly labeled
'Made in America' then that already is fraud.

Recognize that the USA stands for constitutional freedoms, no communistic protectionism.

regulation in moderation is not communistic protectionism, but if you wanna paint with one brush then you may.

Okay, anyone who thinks a territory is NOT part of the United States then believes that everything made in Arizona before 1912, and Alaska and Hawaii before 1959 was not made in the United States. That's just silly.

you know it's different than that. we have no intention of making the mariana islands a state.

btw: any idea if regulations apply to only states or all territory? cause from what i've read, sweatshops are abundant in the NMI

 

[Aramazd]

So if it was made in Guantanamo Bay... it's not a thing made in the US? Isn't Guantanamo Bay part of the United States? Or is it part of Cuba? Or is it neither?

Guantanamo Bay is leased from the Cuban Government,IIRC, (although I don't know how since we don't have diplomatic relations with Castro), and is a naval base, not a territory.

btw: any idea if regulations apply to only states or all territory? cause from what i've read, sweatshops are abundant in the NMI

I believe only states. I believe there was an SC ruling about that issue. I'll check into it. Here is a wiki article about US laws in territories. I don't know if it regulates wage laws, or even if there were ones back when these cases were decided.

 

[bhsup]

you know it's different than that. we have no intention of making the mariana islands a state.

No, it's not any different. They were territories, this is a territory. It's the same. Just as Puerto Rico is a territory and the U.S. Virgin Islands are a territory. Who knows if, in the future, all our little island territories in the Pacific might possibly be admitted together as a unified State. "Pacifica" has a nice ring to it.

 

[The Yankee]

Guantanamo Bay is leased from the Cuban Government,IIRC, (although I don't know how since we don't have diplomatic relations with Castro), and is a naval base, not a territory.

We keep offering to pay the rent each year as the treaty states, but Castro refuses to cash the payments. However, he lives up to the treaty's terms by letting the US have the base.

link
By the war's end, the U.S. government had obtained control of all of Cuba from Spain. A perpetual lease for the area around Guantánamo Bay was offered February 23, 1903, from Tomás Estrada Palma, an American citizen, who became the first President of Cuba. The Cuban-American Treaty gave, among other things, the Republic of Cuba ultimate sovereignty over Guantánamo Bay while granting the United States "complete jurisdiction and control" of the area for coaling and naval stations.

A 1934 treaty reaffirming the lease granted Cuba and her trading partners free access through the bay, modified the lease payment from $2,000 in U.S. gold coins per year, to the 1934 equivalent value of $4,085 in U.S. dollars, and made the lease permanent unless both governments agreed to break it or the U.S. abandoned the base property.

 

[Stylesrj]

So if it's made in Guantánamo Bay, then it's not made in the USA?
Isn't there something about Guantánamo Bay being in a legal loophole as it's not part of Cuba or the United States?
Anyway, that's not the point though.
If I were to buy a product "Made in Australia" I sure hope that it isn't in reality made in China. That'd be stupid.
I can tell it's made in Australia and not anywhere else, because the item would be better quality (not good quality but better than a sweatshop-made) and much harder to destroy.

 

[StarWorms]

Why can't you accept that the US and UK are different countries with different ways of incorporating territories and conducting overseas business and politics?

Yeah the UK might not consider the Falklands as part of the UK but so what? We're talking about US law here.

Why can't you accept the fact that the Mariana Islands are not in the USA?

 

[VX250]

Why can't you treat people with respect, accept the fact that the US and UK have different standards, and accept the fact that the Mariana Islands are part of America. They may not be connected to the mainland, but for all intents and purposes, they are American.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Why can't you treat people with respect, accept the fact that the US and UK have different standards, and accept the fact that the Mariana Islands are part of America. They may not be connected to the mainland, but for all intents and purposes, they are American.

when did i say the US and UK have different standards? haha.

and so if they are americans then they can vote? how bout move here and run for public office?

 

[VX250]

Um ... I wasn't even talking to you.

But for that matter, all residents of The Mariana Islands are US Citizens, can vote in both local and Presidential elections and there is a bill currently in congress to give them a non-voting delegate in Congress.

 

[JohnRM]

We still have stuff made in the USA?

I went into a few shoe stores the other day and was looking for running shoes. I looked for nearly two hours for a pair of shoes and couldn't find a single brand that wasn't made in China. Finally, I went to the last store, but the same thing happened. All made in China, except for one brand -- made in Vietnam. They weren't running shoes, though, so I had to settle for Chinawear.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Um ... I wasn't even talking to you.

for further reference: there is a button near the bottom right of every post. it reads "QUOTE"

now, normally when you enter a thread and make a post you address someone specific. if you don't it is assumed to be made out to the OP. this is a most dire situation in some cases and can be easily avoided by merely stating who it is you want to talk to.

now, if mariana is american then why are there sweatshops that many on the hill like to keep there?

 

[Bugfatty300]

now, if mariana is american then why are there sweatshops that many on the hill like to keep there?

Why was there so much lawlessness and shady goings on happening in other US territories before becoming a state? Lack of regulation. Doesn't mean that the Northern Marianas aren't part of the US.

 

[StarWorms]

Why can't you treat people with respect, accept the fact that the US and UK have different standards, and accept the fact that the Mariana Islands are part of America. They may not be connected to the mainland, but for all intents and purposes, they are American.

Because it is a FACTthat the Mariana Islands are NOT part of the USA.

As you seem to be too lazy to look it up yourself, here it is AGAIN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unincorporated_territories_of_the_United_States

"Unincorporated territories are areas controlled by the government of the United States which are not part of the United States proper. The history of these territories is as follows:"

 

[Bugfatty300]

"not part of the United States proper"

Sounds like a political technicality to me. The Northern Marianas is more politically and culturally unified with the US than Puerto Rico and since 2004 has had representation in Congress. Its as close to being US state with out technically being a US state.

I guess you'd also argue that the District of Columbia isn't part of the US because it is technically not a state.

 

[StarWorms]

"not part of the United States proper"

Sounds like a political technicality to me. The Northern Marianas is more politically and culturally unified with the US than Puerto Rico and since 2004 has had representation in Congress. Its as close to being US state with out technically being a US state.

I guess you'd also argue that the District of Columbia isn't part of the US because it is technically not a state.

Doesn't to me. All that means is that it is owned by the USA, but it is not part of the USA.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Doesn't to me. All that means is that it is owned by the USA, but it is not part of the USA.

What is "part of" as opposed to "owned"? Doesn't the US "own" Alaska? Or Hawaii or California? I don't think you have an idea other your personal opinion that the Northern Marianas are not part of the US.