Main reason for seeing 'multiculturalism' as a failure

[stuge]

It's a fact of the modern world, where people, goods and ideas can travel easily around the globe. Does it need to have a tangible benefit. Benefit to who? Societies in general or
Joe Schmuck in Tosserville UK?

Where's the benefit in pretending that monocultures can still exist in our globalized world and trying to shut your country from it?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

What are the benefits of multiculturalism anyway?

It pisses of a lot of people who cut with the dull edge of a knife.

 

[civ_king]

It's a fact of the modern world, where people, goods and ideas can travel easily around the globe. Does it need to have a tangible benefit. Benefit to who? Societies in general or
Joe Schmuck in Tosserville UK?

Where's the benefit in pretending that monocultures can still exist in our globalized world and trying to shut your country from it?

Multiculturalism is extolling the virtues of other cultures, OTOH it is "You're an immigrant? Okay, follow all the laws and you're good."

 

[Quackers]

It's a fact of the modern world, where people, goods and ideas can travel easily around the globe. Does it need to have a tangible benefit. Benefit to who? Societies in general or
Joe Schmuck in Tosserville UK?

Where's the benefit in pretending that monocultures can still exist in our globalized world and trying to shut your country from it?

That sounds a lotmore like globalisation to me.

What are the benefits of having 100 different cultural groups in one country?

 

[Mise]

That is, quite literally, like asking what the benefit of capitalism and the free market is. And yes, it is precisely an extension of globalisation. Other people might have different perspectives to me, but free movement of goods, labour and capital is an a priori good thing. Unless you're a communist that is.

 

[warpus]

What are the benefits of having 100 different cultural groups in one country?

Strength through diversity. Also, a larger variety in dinner options.

 

[aelf]

What are the benefits of multiculturalism anyway?

What are the benefits of living in an open-minded society?

Besides, multiculturalism is more of a fact than a goal. Unless you're into social engineering, which would be highly ironic, it's more of a letting the fact be and adapting to it.

 

[BuckeyeJim]

Part of a country's responsibility in accepting refugees is to ensure that they get the services they need.

This is a confusingly vague metric you're establishing. What do they need? There's no bound to financing or supporting these things?

 

[Camikaze]

This is a confusingly vague metric you're establishing. What do they need? There's no bound to financing or supporting these things?

What could they need that would be beyond any reasonable financial bounds?

 

[Bordz]

What could they need that would be beyond any reasonable financial bounds?

Well thats the feeling I get here in Aus (get beyond reasonable financial means), so many refugees get given so many concessions at the expense of other people its not funny (at least in my home town, seriously you should not be able to gt your license if you can't speak/read the language of teh country your in).

 

[Tee Kay]

seriously you should not be able to gt your license if you can't speak/read the language of teh country your in).

Yes, yes yes. I know learning English is hard, but everyone here should make an effort no matter where you're from.

 

[Dachs]

It enables us Chinese to take over the world without firing a shot!

Pft. You're not really Chinese, and you're not really Thai either

 

[Tee Kay]

If Genghis freaking Khan can be Chinese then I can too.

 

[Camikaze]

Well thats the feeling I get here in Aus (get beyond reasonable financial means), so many refugees get given so many concessions at the expense of other people its not funny (at least in my home town, seriously you should not be able to gt your license if you can't speak/read the language of teh country your in).

Are English skills really relevant to a driver's licence? What particular concessions do refugees get that you think they shouldn't?

 

[BuckeyeJim]

What could they need that would be beyond any reasonable financial bounds?

What's reasonable financial funds?

 

[Camikaze]

What's reasonable financial funds?

Well that's what I'm asking you, as well as asking what exactly you think government's give to refugees that is beyond that which they have an obvious moral obligation to provide?

 

[Kraznaya]

If Genghis freaking Khan can be Chinese then I can too.

GENGHIS KHAN

CHINESE NATIONAL HERO

OF THE MONGOLIAN NATION

 

[BuckeyeJim]

Well that's what I'm asking you, as well as asking what exactly you think government's give to refugees that is beyond that which they have an obvious moral obligation to provide?

Don't ask me what reasonable is. I'm not the one saying that host governments are obligated to a bottomless pit of money. I'm the one trying to generate some substantive numbers here. And why do host nations of refugees have a moral obligation to provide anything to immigrants? If nations have varying wiggle room in law and immigration policy, then how can we definitively say that there is some kind of moral obligation (when morals are subjective) to care for immigrants? Isn't it possible to have a system where immigrants do not get squat from the host nation at all? If the immigrants agree to the terms of immigration then that is what they agree to. Multiculturalism and immigration is not a one way street where the host nation bends over backwards due to some ill defined moral obligation to the immigrants. There is some level of moral obligation to the immigrants to abide by laws, respect pre-existing cultures, and make a measurable effort to become contributors to their new nation.

 

[Tee Kay]

Multiculturalism and immigration is not a one way street where the host nation bends over backwards due to some ill defined moral obligation to the immigrants.

No one's saying it is.

 

[Camikaze]

Don't ask me what reasonable is. I'm not the one saying that host governments are obligated to a bottomless pit of money. I'm the one trying to generate some substantive numbers here.

You queried if there was any bound to the financial spending a government should undertake to meet the needs of refugees. This implies that you think there should be. So I'm asking you to substantiate where exactly you think that bound should fall. Presumably somewhere between spending on life saving emergency surgery and multi-million dollar payouts just for the hell of it.

And why do host nations of refugees have a moral obligation to provide anything to immigrants?

Where talking about refugees, not immigrants.