Marijuana is legal in Washington State

[illram]

1) There isn't so long as tobacco and alcohol are legal, along with a ton of other drugs that each have (potentially dangerous) side effects.
2) Is irrelevant to 1) and as you say is silly, but posters in this thread have already provided instances where cannabis users themselves have said it provided insight. Proving whether or not cannabis is responsible for that is impossible, but I don't see a reason to refute their personal experience unless you are heavily biased against cannabis in the first place.

This thread also has numerous instances of the italicized statement.

I mean sure, it can provide insight, it also can make you sit in a chair and re-read the same page in a book 10 times until you finally understand it... it really depends.

These are two totally separate questions.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Well, I don't think anyone can say that it acts the same for different people. I do think it's fair to say that some really intelligent people seem to think that it gave them insight. Without sufficient reason to doubt them, I tend to believe that it worked for them.

Now did it also cause them to stumble occasionally? Well sure, (or at least I find it reasonable to assume it did) but that wasn't the question I thought I was answering.

does cannabis use cause additional insight and/or leaps of reasoning?

 

[Borachio]

See. I don't know. If I ever had a really smart idea*, I'd like to think maybe I'd come up with it on my own, rather than it being the result of some drug.

Spoiler :

(Actually, on reflection I don't know so much. But that would take me into a whole other realm of thinking that wouldn't be appropriate to the subject at hand. Something to do with the nature of inspiration, perhaps.)

* an outrageously unlikely event, I know.

 

[Berzerker]

Why does Hitler have to happen for WWII to happen? Couldn't some other crazy guy become the leader of Germany?

Because Hitler started it and history > hypotheticals? And if someone else was in his place, I'd want them to be a stoner for the same reason - a stoner is less likely to be a warmongering monstrosity bent on world domination. Somebody said stoners aint got no reason to be proud, I disagree... "Sober" people do more harm than stoners, like jailing millions of people for pot. I hear Prozac (and Ecstasy?) promote feelings of humaneness too, the former has been linked to reducing bigotry.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I'd bet if you smoked a blunt every day for 30 years, you will have greatly increased your chances for lung cancer and emphysema. I know there is no scientific evidence, but to me it is pretty evident. You irritate your organs long enough, you will have problems.

Yup, albeit "greatly" is debatable - a headline about some chemical causing a %500 increase in cancer doesn't mean much if the normal rate is miniscule.

If it doesn't kill you , it's good for you? That's true for a lot of substances you can consume, but what does it exactly prove?

You wanted a source for the claim pot is less harmful than tobacco and booze, cemeteries serve that purpose. Whether or not pot is "good" or bad for you depends on your situation, pot has medicinal properties (Congress continues lying about that too) so the damage it does may be warranted. But like I said above, WWII wouldn't have happened if Hitler was a stoner - that'd be good for a bunch of people.

 

[Neomega]

You wanted a source for the claim pot is less harmful than tobacco and booze, cemeteries serve that purpose. Whether or not pot is "good" or bad for you depends on your situation, pot has medicinal properties (Congress continues lying about that too) so the damage it does may be warranted. But like I said above, WWII wouldn't have happened if Hitler was a stoner - that'd be good for a bunch of people.

Marijuana is great for relieving rodupyerassitosis

 

[GhostWriter16]

This is positively the worst way to make your lolbertarian point dude.

Individual rights go out the window when you defend the right to murder people, which is exactly what you propose right here.

I didn't defend the right to murder anyone. I said that if 99.9% of people who used substance than murdered people (Hypothetically) it still wouldn't justify the arrest of the other 0.1%.

I wasn't defending the right to murder people. Firing squad for all I care, once proper conviction is reached. Or life in a cage if liberals are more passionate about that

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Edit: Why bother?

 

[Agent327]

Wow. Now it's gone form "you cant be inspired on weed" to "you cant haev genius ideas on weed" to "you can't write peer reviewed papers on weed"

Now, finally, I can reach your moved goal posts. Nobody ever wrote a peer-reviewed paper on weed.

However, they may have though their original theory on weed, that they wrote the paper for, on weed.

Yeah, make up more things that don't prove "geniuses do genius things while high". That will really prove your point...

You wanted a source for the claim pot is less harmful than tobacco and booze, cemeteries serve that purpose. Whether or not pot is "good" or bad for you depends on your situation, pot has medicinal properties (Congress continues lying about that too) so the damage it does may be warranted. But like I said above, WWII wouldn't have happened if Hitler was a stoner - that'd be good for a bunch of people.

Cemeteries prove people are dead. Period.

(You also seem to be unaware that Hitler did take drugs.)

Marijuana is great for relieving rodupyerassitosis

And it's bad for you if you have schizoid tendencies.

I mean sure, it can provide insight, it also can make you sit in a chair and re-read the same page in a book 10 times until you finally understand it...

Insight into what exactly?

JEELEN,

[We started here]​

>>>And now thanks to you>>>​

[We are over here]​

______
Keep on moving the goalposts, it's fun chasing you.

Really? Seems you never played football. For your consideration I will reiterate again:

1) Genius think up genius things while high.

2) Geniuses haven't thought of genius things while high. Ever.

3) no proof of 1.

Ergo: 2 is true, 1 is false. Prove me wrong.

Oh, and finally:

Haha, you're right

Of course, Jeelen continues to embarass himself by being an insufferable hypocrite.

Have you ever been high? I have. But I don't make ridiculous claims about the properties of weed. So who's the hypocrite here?

 

[choxorn]

Why do we have to prove 1, but you don't have to prove 2?

 

[ace99]

This thread is the best argument for keeping weed illegal.

 

[Samson]

Insight into what exactly?

For me, it is different ways of looking at things, and different solutions that do not occur to one when straight. So I may be working on a problem all week at work, and then at the weekend have a little smoke and come up with a whole new way of approaching the problem. 9 out of 10 times it is rubbish, and easily identifiable as rubbish when straight, but sometimes it really is a good idea and helps with the problem.

 

[Tani Coyote]

I, like Isaac Newton, am inclined to think that the universe's majesty is evidence itself of there being a Creator. Whereas timelessness and infinity boggle the finite minds of human beings and any other sentients, he who is without space or time logically would feel it but a day at the office.

I think that God would wish for us to continue to improve our condition; the less we have to rely upon his aid, the more successful his experiment has become. A creation, developed over billions of years of change and evolution, that can finally master and manipulate the laws that he carefully laid down without any further input from him whatsoever. That sense of satisfaction you get from building a successful, self-governing city or civilization in strategy games? I assume that is what God feels with us.

The probability of alien life is high... though I am optimistic of their peaceful nature and don't believe in this "survival of the fittest" fear. If there are races millions of years (likely) ahead of us, I don't find it unreasonable they could have had the same philosophical revolutions we have had in our few short thousand years. There could be aliens observing us as we speak, waiting to make their entrance when they're sure humanity won't try to kill them as soon as they land.

Though this universe is cold and requires death to support the current system of life, there is no reason we cannot find warmth in fellow sentient brethren.

 

[Neomega]

This thread is the best argument for keeping weed illegal.

You're the best argument for legalizing it. Some people really need to relax.

Cure your Rodupyerassitosis.

 

[Neomega]

I, like Isaac Newton, am inclined to think that the universe's majesty is evidence itself of there being a Creator. Whereas timelessness and infinity boggle the finite minds of human beings and any other sentients, he who is without space or time logically would feel it but a day at the office.

I think that God would wish for us to continue to improve our condition; the less we have to rely upon his aid, the more successful his experiment has become. A creation, developed over billions of years of change and evolution, that can finally master and manipulate the laws that he carefully laid down without any further input from him whatsoever. That sense of satisfaction you get from building a successful, self-governing city or civilization in strategy games? I assume that is what God feels with us.

The probability of alien life is high... though I am optimistic of their peaceful nature and don't believe in this "survival of the fittest" fear. If there are races millions of years (likely) ahead of us, I don't find it unreasonable they could have had the same philosophical revolutions we have had in our few short thousand years. There could be aliens observing us as we speak, waiting to make their entrance when they're sure humanity won't try to kill them as soon as they land.

Though this universe is cold and requires death to support the current system of life, there is no reason we cannot find warmth in fellow sentient brethren.

Interesting concept of creator. An experimenter. Perhaps.

I find the question of creator vs. random chance very interesting. I see you picked up on that.

It's kind of like a flying purple people eater. If there were an infinite number of stars, universes, and galaxies, then there would be an infinite number of chances for things to happen. If universes are eternal or even cyclical (big bang explosion/retraction theory). therefore, everything that can happen will happen, and happen infinite times. But even with these imaginary parameters, does that mean a one-eyed-one-horned flying purple people eater would exist? That there would be millions of them during some eon on some arm of some galaxy?

No, it doesn't. Just because there are chances of something happening, does not mean it will. The complexity of the tools of DNA and inner cells is a sight to behold and understand. Even how DNA is constructed with proteins to make tissues for more organelles within organelles is an amazing process.

I just find "this all happened at random" to be a little questionable sometimes.

 

[Tani Coyote]

It's kind of like a flying purple people eater. If there were an infinite number of stars, universes, and galaxies, then there would be an infinite number of chances for things to happen. If universes are eternal or even cyclical (big bang explosion/retraction theory). therefore, everything that can happen will happen, and happen infinite times. But even with these imaginary parameters, does that mean a one-eyed-one-horned flying purple people eater would exist? That there would be millions of them during some eon on some arm of some galaxy?

No, it doesn't. Just because there are chances of something happening, does not mean it will. The complexity of the tools of DNA and inner cells is a sight to behold and understand. Even how DNA is constructed with proteins to make tissues for more organelles within organelles is an amazing process.

I just find "this all happened at random" to be a little questionable sometimes.

I agree. Ultimately what decides an atheist from a theist is whether they believe everything is random or if there had to be something providing a bit of direction, I think.

The idea of space/time being fundamental to the human (and likely any other sentient race) consciousness, it is really mind-boggling to imagine something before the Big Bang, or that the universe could expand forever; if we went to the furthest reaches of the universe and kept going, do we hit a wall? Do we get turned around? Do we enter another universe or void? If this last part, where do those end?

If the universe was closed and spherical we would simply be a marble in a cosmic-sized globe, but evidence is that it is flat and open. So... where does it end? What came before its beginning?

God gave us the tools to figure out more or less everything with some patience, but there are some questions we probably can never answer until we perish.

 

[Leoreth]

Have you ever been high? I have. But I don't make ridiculous claims about the properties of weed. So who's the hypocrite here?

You are. Because you are making claims and support them with baseless assertions such as "Have you ever been high? I have." while everyone else has to come up with scientific studies for some reason.

I'm sure you noticed that I didn't even say a single thing about weed in this thread. All I said was that everything you said in this thread is complete garbage based on your own standards.

 

[Borachio]

(You also seem to be unaware that Hitler did take drugs.)

Amphetamines, I believe. But staunchly teetotal, and a vigorous campaigner against tobacco.

Also a vegetarian.

Also commonly supposed to be a loony. Though possibly his life style was unrelated.

I can't help feeling he needed to chillax, from time to time.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yeah, Hitler did smoke weed. And in his silly German accent he said he wanted a glass of juice.

This was misunderstood, and it all went wrong from there.

 

[Part_Time_Civer]

Yeah, Hitler did smoke weed. And in his silly German accent he said he wanted a glass of juice.

This was misunderstood, and it all went wrong from there.

Good thing he didn't smoke. It might have saved him from Parkinson's disease, and increased his capacity to cause harm.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

JEELEN, multiple people have already thrashed your silly idea. It's not our fault you refuse to accept, nor does said refusal make us wrong.

"Prove it"

Oh:

But I don't make ridiculous claims about the properties of weed. So who's the hypocrite here?

Yes you did and you are.