Mario Mafia [MAFIA VICTORY]

[Takhisis]

My cover role was the same as my mafia role: a role block.

Takhisis insisted I claim it. Zack said no. I was inclined to agree with Zack, especially when you posted "If someone claims a role-block, we will immediately lynch them. It is strictly a wolf ability. So who's the role-blocker?" Would have been completely stupid for me to claim it.

The issue then became finding a new cover. I asked, but this was exactly when Takh, Zack, and Csargo all collectively went AFK for 95% of the days/nights. They were, to say the least, unhelpful. I wanted to role claim right at the beginning of the "ok everyone mass claim" but someone, I think Takh, told me to "relax" because nobody would target me. I disagreed but I went with what the long-time veteran suggested and I kept silent. I asked what role I should claim for when the time comes, and again, I was told to calm down. (WTH.)

As a result I was one of the last claims, and it happened because I was directly tagged four or five times asking me why I hadn't role claimed while everyone else had. I had to make up that role on the spot. The only help was "think of something coin related." So I did. It was shaky at best, but it was good enough to make me survive that day despite Tim's insistence.

I would have made it that day but for some reason Takh decided to be my killing vote (the tie breaker would have never been needed had it not been for Takh's tying vote). No discussion around that. He just did it and I died.

I didn't self-pres vote for the reason someone cited: me not voting pzelda ensured his death, and that was ultimately more valuable to my team than me surviving an extra day.

Honestly I've been kind of stewing on it after being lynched. This was my first time being mafia and my mistakes were, are, being chalked up to that, even though I sought insight from my veteran teammates every step of the way. I guess I'm glad they won but it was at my expense so I'm not super happy about it.

I'm also a little baffled. Tim had you guys set up for victory before he got NK'd. All you needed to do was follow his train of thought. Yet the moment he died it's as though town forgot he existed, and his analysis simply went poof. As well, Csargo, Takh, and Zack were very clearly scummy after Tim's death, yet nobody caught on. The Zack train only started on the final day, despite him refusing to abide by every request made of him and his just total nonchalance and aloofness in response to everything. Did you guys think he was too scummy to be scummy or what?

I dunno how many times I need to say that RL got in the way for me this game, seriously. I was plenty helpful to you when I was available (sick and tired the whole way, I might add). The "think of something coin related" advice I gave was when I was dead tired, with next to zero free time, and I still tried to do what I could to help you. fortunately it seems you didn't need any help to make a petty wallpost calling me out as a crappy, unhelpful teammate in a game we won by a landslide, so kudos for that. I probably shouldn't have responded to this at all but whatever

OK, OK, I can see how Synsensa can take that when he's not used to the mafia chatter-banter-strategy room that is a team quicktopic.
Syn: 1) thanks for eating the lynch. It actually helped us win the game, even if you did say in the QT -in advance- that you'd hate us if we lynched you and you later dropped in when I was playing DotA to wish defeat upon me and my team.
In hindsight I still stand by my advice. I've gotten away with far more horrendous claims, such as ‘oh yes, I am the only person who targetted the person who was killed last night but I was totally doing something else’. As I said in the QT, it requires panache, aplomb, khutzpah or whatever you want to call it. And yes, it might be the first time that you play as mafia but at one point you sink or swim.
Also, when I voted you I just broke a tie and there was a lot of time still left for that phase (one entire RL day IIRC) and a lot could have happened. As with Zack, RL caught up with me too at some rather inconvenient points. I did not plan for it. As in all contests, no predesigned strategy survives contact with the enemy.
In addition, bussing is a valid, socially acceptable strategy. Mafia has its own codes which do take getting used to.
2) We win as a team and you get as much credit as we do (except for the coin count ). As I said, thanks for eating the lynch. It was unplanned, I thought I might change it later (or not, as it turned out to be) and it did get me some otherwise unearnable and undeserved town credit.
I think (with the enormous benefit of hindsight) that your claim did you in, but with so many rôles it wouldn't have been unbelievable, especially when the town ended up having the potential to protect two players or rôleblock two players in one same night.

 

[Takhisis]

Mafia, N4 Argon was default on Rask. Did you switch onto Rask when I made a suggestion that he could protect elsewhere or did you target him the whole night?

Pretty sure we defaulted on Rask.

Yes it is. Not least because Csargo and I were scared of LordArgon but Zack had misread his claim as he being a bodyguard and so he thought ‘well, it's a dead townie either way’.

 

[Montmorency]

Yes it is. Not least because Csargo and I were scared of LordArgon but Zack had misread his claim as he being a bodyguard and so he thought ‘well, it's a dead townie either way’.

Yeah, then flubbing that last-minute reverse-psychology intervention was my worst mistake of the game. It just made Argon arbitrarily hop off Rask. Had I not popped up we would currently be alive and well, toasting Argon's memory and congratulating each other for flipping Zack and Csargo in a row.

Sorry guys, that one's on me! So while Argon goofed N3 and N5, it didn't even matter because I deviated him N4.

 

[Montmorency]

I think (with the enormous benefit of hindsight) that your claim did you in, but with so many rôles it wouldn't have been unbelievable, especially when the town ended up having the potential to protect two players or rôleblock two players in one same night.

Wait, what do you mean "two?"

 

[Takhisis]

Oh, also I have to say: my activity (especially during those few days after D1) was so patchy that every time I complained about having to read 200 posts or 300 posts or whatever it was each time I was not exaggerating. As Ron Weasley says in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, it is easier to lie just a bit than making a completely new thing up on the go. Of course, the lie was the part where I pretended to be trying to help town.

btw the dead QT is hilarious. I can just imagine Tim as played by Vinnie Jones or maybe Alan Ford.

Wait, what do you mean "two?"

Snerk could copy some abilities, including LordArgon's protection, my protection, Synsensa's rôleblock and LordArgon's protection. See post #2885.

 

[Takhisis]

Oh, and I have to say this, Syn-chan: *You* just went AWOL when you were lynched, when you could have voted for self-preservation or broken the tie yourself. That one's not on any of the three of us.

And, Monsieur Timsup2nothin, you say that I look scummy, but, as Han Solo says: ‘Hey, it's me.’

 

[topsecret]

I have a lot to do tomorrow so I am gonna grab some sleep. I will keep posting wrap-up posts tomorrow.

In the mean time, post your comments, compliments, angry complaints, and murder threats on me here.

Oh and any questions too.

I will finish up tomorrow!

 

[topsecret]

And whoever wants to host next should get ready for signups.

 

[Synobun]

And whoever wants to host next should get ready for signups.

YEAH, @Dolbster. Or @Timsup2nothin, or should I say Timsup2somethin?

Oh, and I have to say this, Syn-chan: *You* just went AWOL when you were lynched, when you could have voted for self-preservation or broken the tie yourself. That one's not on any of the three of us.

I wasn't AWOL. I made a c a l c u l a t e d decision. Which paid off due to my unerringly pristine intellect.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

YEAH, @Dolbster. Or @Timsup2nothin, or should I say Timsup2somethin?

I'm begging out until I have at least played a game from the mafia side, so Dolbster?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And, Monsieur Timsup2nothin, you say that I look scummy, but, as Han Solo says: ‘Hey, it's me.’

I was actually going pretty much with "it's just Tak," right up to the no vote. When you showed up saying "just read 200 posts" eight minutes after EoD it reminded me that I knew at the time you were on line and on the board, but that you didn't vote. Town-Tak might do a lot of scummy looking things, but town-Tak wouldn't have just left us hanging with that tied vote, IMO. If I'd been alive to drag you into an interrogation (of the Salem witch trial variety) I don't think you'd have been able to bluff or bluster out of it. Especially once I reminded @Montmorency that you had stuck him with casting the deciding vote.

Credit where credit is due, that was a really timely kill.

I have to say though that when you guys killed me, and then you sort of half assed some responses to some other stuff I had said that wasn't really accusatory in the first place while just outright ignoring the one real accusation I couldn't believe no one called you on it.

I'm going to frame this:

that's why you always just kill the villagers who suspect your team and don't overthink it

All the people who told me "oh, yeah, the mafia just kills people because they are town reads...it has nothing to do with what they were saying about their suspicions..." expect a free copy delivered to you next game...like every ten minutes.

 

[Dolbster]

I'm begging out until I have at least played a game from the mafia side, so Dolbster?

Yeah. I'll put signups up tomorrow unless someone else wants to host

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm in.

Unless someone else does it.

Then I'm in there.

Not that I'm eager to play or anything.

vote: @Takhisis

 

[Takhisis]

I won't start signups if other people want to host, but I usually can rustle something up in a jiffy. On tequest.

I was actually going pretty much with "it's just Tak," right up to the no vote. When you showed up saying "just read 200 posts" eight minutes after EoD it reminded me that I knew at the time you were on line and on the board, but that you didn't vote. Town-Tak might do a lot of scummy looking things, but town-Tak wouldn't have just left us hanging with that tied vote, IMO. If I'd been alive to drag you into an interrogation (of the Salem witch trial variety) I don't think you'd have been able to bluff or bluster out of it. Especially once I reminded @Montmorency that you had stuck him with casting the deciding vote.

Credit where credit is due, that was a really timely kill.

At the moment it was better not to vote than do a stupid vote. But this is said with the benefit of hindsight, of course.

I have to say though that when you guys killed me, and then you sort of half assed some responses to some other stuff I had said that wasn't really accusatory in the first place while just outright ignoring the one real accusation I couldn't believe no one called you on it.

It's all sleight-of-hand. Why do you think some of the better players among us are also good at predicting electoral upsets IRL?

I'm going to frame this:

that's why you always just kill the villagers who suspect your team and don't overthink it

All the people who told me "oh, yeah, the mafia just kills people because they are town reads...it has nothing to do with what they were saying about their suspicions..." expect a free copy delivered to you next game...like every ten minutes.

Well, I do have a certain comment related to Manasi kept, with the necessary BBcode for a quote included, in a certain text file. You could do the same.

 

[Takhisis]

Final comment for the night, completely in character:

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⁑THE GOOD GUYS WON!⁑
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Proven by our princess being in another castle.

 

[Dolbster]

I was hoping to get the opportunity to post this

 

[Snerk]

OOF! Bad news to wake up to. 4 wolves is an uphill battle indeed but still definitely doable for town.

but Snerk's admitting to fabricating all his results today

You what? I didn't fabricate a thing, I just didn't tell the mafia I could absorb one-shots of the abilities I scanned.

3. Snerk, what was your strategy exactly?

In regards to what? Are you saying I played irrational? The only pure town I ever voted for this game was Choxorn, and his game wasn't exactly a beacon of villagery. Should of course have joined the Zack wagon D4 but your fake tie wish claim didn't exactly help. When I went to bed I figured the vote would get tied by one of the non voters. Other than that after targeting LA I had a one shot protection I was going to try to make count. N4 I figured it would be either you or me. You had publicly asked for LA's protection so I self protected. And as mentioned I couldn't protect you either way as I had already targeted you on a previous night and was not allowed to re-target anyone. Delaying it wouldn't have helped so I did the best with what I had at my disposal.

In the end Jo and Newyn voting Zack D5 should have cascaded to Town victory. (That was a heartbreaking vote, Snerk.)

Aye that was harsh. We would have followed up with a Tak lynch for sure and hopefully Csargo after that although that's kinda speculative.

Anyway thanks for hosting the game Topsecret! Really fun game that really engaged a lot of people! And gratz to the mafia on the win!

A win by spreadsheet was probably within our reach, but it would require a well oiled town with a lot more activity towards the end. Among the townsfolks, Tim and Monty gets a special mention for consistently providing content. I tried to join Monty in that push for maximum mechanical enlightenment but time was an issue for me.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

I just didnt expect there would be this many mafia. Holy crap you guys.

I mean yeah, I just thought those 4 would include the 3P.

You missed the LYLO part of N5 update

*survive D5, I keep getting that mixed up

Zelda and Newyn were good pushes btw, Zelda-Tak tie created info (Zack voting Zelda over Tak for example), while Newyn was in fact not town. Logic was my major mistake as far as pushes. Something Rask said made him go from lock town to major suspect for me, and then Rask misled us about his new power. If Rask had told me he had a vig, I would have directed him to kill Zack. Sorry Logic, this is only half my fault. I just wanted you blocked and scanned.

After Tim's push on me D3, what did you want me to do? "Guess what folks, now I have a NK ability! yeah!"
I did say my roleblock gained a scanning ability, which is what a NK do: permanent alignment revealing roleblock ... but OK

Also, I take responsibility for the town loss (see below what I sent to TS), but initially I wanted to killed Tak (or Zack... my wife had a look at your voting post in N4 and said "I haven't followed this, but this Zack is scum!"), but you convinced me to do otherwise (that's me praising your leadership ). In one of your post you explained that Yako/Newyn were to be resolved before Tak, and I (unfortunatly) followed you. gasp.

iirc I just pointed out that Yako was always in the same target than the killer, well, before N4.

My only regret is that I got night killed just as my hands closed on Tak's throat. I was really looking forward to choking the scum outta him.

Oh, I got some of that. I walked into the dead chat saying "well, in my last post I called Tak a wolf three times, and linked to a post that I don't see any way he can explain away." Like an hour later the thunderdome was on and you weren't even being viewed as a suspect. All I could do was stare in wonder.

Again, you owe me some here... (more than the 2 coins you gave me this game ). Before going nuts with NKing Yakostovian, I had some good reads...

I just like the last part I quoted. What do you think about the coercision though? Zack nicely bluffing Syn? Anything else about Zack? What does it tell about Syn? Really nice? Scared townie? or are both Syn/Zack wolfing?

In the light of recent events, any other reaction to this? While funny, I find Zack's claimed ability kinda thin. Maybe that's a cover (a better one than what Syn came up with)

Other "must be watched" is Takhisis. I'll do a recap before EON (but his posting, his claims, his votes... everything feels scum tbh).

Then you tunneled on our great Tak.

Too bad I wasn't focused enough (rather disturbed by Monty ) to follow up with my own (or your) thoughts!

Yeah, then flubbing that last-minute reverse-psychology intervention was my worst mistake of the game. It just made Argon arbitrarily hop off Rask. Had I not popped up we would currently be alive and well, toasting Argon's memory and congratulating each other for flipping Zack and Csargo in a row.

Sorry guys, that one's on me! So while Argon goofed N3 and N5, it didn't even matter because I deviated him N4.

Don't be too hard on yourself here. Argon is a grown old man.
(Though after this post and your beginning of D5 totally skipping Newyn, I had a "finally Monty is a master wolf" moment)

So be it, Burn Yakostovian please.

^^ if he flips town, I shall endorse a great responsibility if the town looses this

Quotes from my conversation with TS. Sorry town, I f...ed up totally on N4.

Also,

@LordArgon: you better ask lynch immunity and a bullet-proof jacket at night because I am going for you next game

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Congrats to the mafia team. You all played very well. You even tricked the host!

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Thank you @topsecret for hosting this game. Very nicely done. Hope you find the energy to host some more in the future!

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My vote for town MVP: Tim. Monty as a close second.

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I request the wooden spoon!


Cheers

 

[pzelda]

I thought four wolves were set in stone. It make association reads even little easier. I think Zack and other wolves did a great job with anti-spew.
Other than that it often was more about willage. For example me turning my list upside-down twice. I think my final poe was decent.