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Never manly. Knife, axe or chainsaw. Electric makes none of them better.
what about a motorized knife?
Never manly. Knife, axe or chainsaw. Electric makes none of them better.
1. 'Inorganic' food is cleaned of pesticides and there's no evidence it causes more cancer than 'organic' foodIs pesticide manly then? Cancer? Or I guess it's more manly not to give a darn?
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On this forum you have exhibited few characteristics of being a true man, and it takes being a true adult to recognize what is actually manly. Poetry is manly, the values in the above poem are truly manly. Poetry can also be feminine as well, depending less on the content of the poem and more on the soul of the author.Poetry -- Not manly![]()
Now here's where I come in with a little nuance. Working in a factory isn't manly or unmanly. If a guy is working in the factory to be a part of something bigger than himself, or is shouldering such work to provide for his family, than he is a man. If a guy is working in a factory because it's a job and he's just occupying his time, perhaps for money to go "live" on, he might not be a real man. With regards to the jack of all trades--agreed insofar as a real man is open to learning and embraces skills. However I think it is particularly manly to specialize to advance society, or one's own family, or however grand the scope should be given the circumstances of a man's life. This is why in my earlier examples I had things like the Chrysler building, which I believe had no deaths in construction unlike the Empire State building, which took the fierce specialize and expertise of the architects, the laborers, the foremen, and really everyone legitimately involved. It is why I showed the 9th Symphony (and could have shown a painting or a play or a book), which took the expertise of a master composer who dedicated his life to music. In fact I might go so far as to say that a super general cross-sectional skillset is a more feminine trait.Ok, but actually working in a factory isn't manly. Well maybe for a year or so while you're on your way to becoming a real man. Working in a factory your whole life isn't manly. Real men develop skills that have wide applicability, real men are jacks of many trades, real men cannot be replaced by a WigetMaster3000.
Definitely about advancing civilization, the maximizing profit part, well that sort of depends. I don't find capitalism particularly manly (or unmanly, it's just an "is"), and profit maximizing is a trait of the capitalist, not the industrialist. The industrialist has visions of economy, not finance, and production, not products. But yes it's about maximizing gain, or bounty, which is manly as we both agree.Narz said:Ultimately industrialism was about maximizing gain & profit & creating a more utopiastic society which is definitely manly but it hasn't worked out as well as planned (also manly).
That's false, as even some of the fiercest warrior cultures felt that gay men were the manliest of men, too manly to be distracted or tarnished by women. Sparta, the obvious example, but also late-feudal Japan. I believe there are others. I myself see the issue as moot.Narz said:Men who don't like ***** are not manly.
This is true, though the very unmanly and boyish behavior of so many fraternity brothers--including my own, made me forget this truth. True brotherhood is super manly.NObody has mentioned brotherhood yet. Brotherhood is manly as hell.
I think we agree on a lot of things in this later portion of the thread!I have to disagree about the berries. Bears eat berries and bears are more or less manly.
Pesticides that disrupt your hormones and mimic estrogen are not manly. Literally.1. 'Inorganic' food is cleaned of pesticides and there's no evidence it causes more cancer than 'organic' food
2. No proof 'organic' food is better for people
3. It's all hyped up by health-crazed housewives. If you want to be healthy then become a vegetarian and eat nuts (manly) and berries (not manly) all day. If you want to be a man then eat a nice big steak.
As long as your skills cannot be replaced by a machine someday. Over specialization in archaic & defunct knowledge is not manly. That's why The Last Samurai was a terrible movie.Now here's where I come in with a little nuance. Working in a factory isn't manly or unmanly. If a guy is working in the factory to be a part of something bigger than himself, or is shouldering such work to provide for his family, than he is a man. If a guy is working in a factory because it's a job and he's just occupying his time, perhaps for money to go "live" on, he might not be a real man. With regards to the jack of all trades--agreed insofar as a real man is open to learning and embraces skills. However I think it is particularly manly to specialize to advance society, or one's own family, or however grand the scope should be given the circumstances of a man's life.
I agree your example is manly but don't agree a general cross-sectional skillset is a feminine trait. A handyman who can do many things is manly, just as a group of men with specialties working together is manly. True a mother with a vast number of skills & ways to respond to situations is womanly. I think have a wide variety of skills & high adaptability is part of what makes an ideal human being in general.This is why in my earlier examples I had things like the Chrysler building, which I believe had no deaths in construction unlike the Empire State building, which took the fierce specialize and expertise of the architects, the laborers, the foremen, and really everyone legitimately involved. It is why I showed the 9th Symphony (and could have shown a painting or a play or a book), which took the expertise of a master composer who dedicated his life to music. In fact I might go so far as to say that a super general cross-sectional skillset is a more feminine trait.
People who fashion themselves as uber-capitalists generally strike me as boyish.Definitely about advancing civilization, the maximizing profit part, well that sort of depends. I don't find capitalism particularly manly (or unmanly, it's just an "is"),
Fair enough. I concede. I agree that resisting the temptations of women (or men if you're gay) is manly. On the flip-side being p-whipped is totally emasculating.That's false, as even some of the fiercest warrior cultures felt that gay men were the manliest of men, too manly to be distracted or tarnished by women. Sparta, the obvious example, but also late-feudal Japan. I believe there are others. I myself see the issue as moot.
Or prefers intact furniture.Cats are also inherently manly, what male doesn't like *****? If a male loudly proclaims he doesn't like cats he's probably intimidated by creatures who don't offer him constant reassurance & blind loyalty no matter how inadequate he is.
Poetry -- Not manly![]()
What about Rupert Brooke?Obviously, you've never actually been a man.
Rudyard Kipling = a manly, manly man. He's one of my favorite poets/authors.
The old ideal of a warrior poet is one I try and follow in my manliness, and being able to write and appreciate good, masculine poetry is essential for manhood.
Consider Homer, who wrote epic poems about war and battle, or David, who wrote over half of the poems in the psaltery. Look at some of the modern day soldiers who write poetry..
Manly things:
9. Homo-erotic sports
Maybe you're right. Maybe all the sexual tension between players is just my imagination...Just cause they're tights are well...tight, doesn't mean it's homo-erotic.
Just cause it turns you on, doesn't mean all the other men are turned on.
But it's the Bears. They get anally raped every game.Maybe you're right. Maybe all the sexual tension between players is just my imagination...
Consider Homer, who wrote epic poems about war and battle...