Masonic mutterings

[Achinz]

They have a presence in Melbourne with a fairly swank building in the city. Not sure about their manifesto but that seems to include good works like contact with schools and supporting music performances by school bands and talented soloists.

There is another masonic building named as such closer to my suburban house. It seems to have seen better times and the ad in front about the availability of the hall for hire indicate that the activity is low if not non existent.

 

[Double Barrel]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
You do not supposed that Houston's cold political calculation that holding the head of the enemy dictator and head of its army would paralyse said enemy army and goverment, and mulitply the chance of a favorable treaty ten fold, as opposed to killing him, had anything to do with this decision, do you?

The truth, as always, is probably somewhere in between.

My dad is a 32nd degree Mason (or was, he doesn't pay his dues anymore), and this little tale about Houston/Anna was part of his indoctrination and Masonic education. From what I understand, they also teach this particular version to Masons in Mexico, as well. Who knows.

Apparently, there is a famous painting of Santa Anna meeting with Sam Houston after the battle of San Jacinto, and Santa Anna is allegedly displaying that secret-Masonic-sign-of-distress.

I've been asked to join, but I'm not much of a follower. I did join DeMolay when I was a kid, which is the Masonic youth program. All kinds of secret ceremonies and hogwash (can't tell you folks anything more because I would have to kill you )...but, I think they mainly want the kids for the free labor they provide selling trinkets at the Shrine Circus every year!

edit: fix smilies

 

[cgannon64]

I would join. Then I would quit and publish some pulitizer winning story in the Times about their murderous methods and traditions.

And if they turn out to be some innocent social club, I'd just make up some stuff.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Xen
just how dose one enquire? perhaps there are just none in my area. but it seesm to me that masonic jurisdictions do not exactley amke themselves well known...

They are very public in the USA.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

There are levels to the Masons that the street level Mason knows nothing about. The vast majority are like the Royal Order of Racoons that Ralph Kramden and Ed Norton belong to, but there are Masons waaayyy beyond that.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

Originally posted by cgannon64
I would join. Then I would quit and publish some pulitizer winning story in the Times about their murderous methods and traditions.

Last time that happened it sparked an entire political movement that led to the careers of a US President, numerous congressmen and cabinet members, and countless governors of New York.

 

[Archer 007]

I thought the Anti-Mason party lost. Even though they did help propell the winner to victory.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Dumb pothead
There are levels to the Masons that the street level Mason knows nothing about. The vast majority are like the Royal Order of Racoons that Ralph Kramden and Ed Norton belong to, but there are Masons waaayyy beyond that.

Well around here, the higher you go in the various hierarchies, the more public the officers tend to be. In Texas the Gandmaster of the grand Lodge of Texas is the most publicly prominent mason.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

Originally posted by Archer 007
I thought the Anti-Mason party lost. Even though they did help propell the winner to victory.

They merged with the Whigs and produced several luminaries. Fillmore, Seward, etc.

 

[Archer 007]

Those are very high-power names that I would never had assocationed with the Anti-Masons. Fillmore did have a thing for third parties.

 

[Achinz]

Here's a bit of trivia.

Mozart was apparently a freemason and did compose specific works, known collectively as "Masonic Music'.

His popular opera "The Magic Flute" is also thought to have a masonic subtext especially the trials the hero Tamino has to undergo.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Lefty, I tried to dig up that book on the Masons but I cant find it. IIRC, the book says that for instance, the Grandmaster of the Texas Lodge could be asked to join an inner circle of Masons that would be unknown to the lower level Masons. In turn, there are other higher circles even beyond that.

 

[Archer 007]

Sounds conspiracy theory to me, DP.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

The Grand Lodge of Texas, or of most other states, could not keep a secrete from a blind and deaf man. Every interest tibit of internal politics is near instantaneously circulated around the state. That 'theory' is nothing but an imaginative extrapolation from the qualification to vote in grand lodge: either having been Master (CEO) of your subordinate lodge orcurrently serving as one of the top 3 officers of your subordinate lodge.

 

[hawai_74]

the masons created CIV (rumour launched).

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
The Grand Lodge of Texas, or of most other states, could not keep a secrete from a blind and deaf man. Every interest tibit of internal politics is near instantaneously circulated around the state.

Well if thats the case, probably the Grandmaster there wouldnt be tapped to enter one of the inner circles. Im going to find that damned book, its here somewhere(probably under a pile of socks or something ). Anyway, in the book, the guy doesnt say that these secret inner circles within secret inner circles are up to no good or anything. He basically says that its a problem in UK law enforcement circles, but that overall, the conspiracy theories about the Masons are bogus or grossly exagerated.

 

[Kev1916]

Originally posted by Dumb pothead
Well if thats the case, probably the Grandmaster there wouldnt be tapped to enter one of the inner circles. Im going to find that damned book, its here somewhere(probably under a pile of socks or something ). Anyway, in the book, the guy doesnt say that these secret inner circles within secret inner circles are up to no good or anything. He basically says that its a problem in UK law enforcement circles, but that overall, the conspiracy theories about the Masons are bogus or grossly exagerated.

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Don't know if your masons over there are the same as the Free Mason in the UK DP, but over here there bad news.
Any group which is secret and prejudice is not on in my view, there rife in position's of power and should be made accountable to the same laws as everyone else.

There must be a real temptation to abuse the masonic network for private gain.

 

[cgannon64]

Originally posted by SeleucusNicator
Last time that happened it sparked an entire political movement that led to the careers of a US President, numerous congressmen and cabinet members, and countless governors of New York.

Excellent.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by bholed
Don't know if your masons over there are the same as the Free Mason in the UK DP, but over here there bad news.
Any group which is secret and prejudice is not on in my view, there rife in position's of power and should be made accountable to the same laws as everyone else.

There must be a real temptation to abuse the masonic network for private gain.

I know virtually nothing about the Masons. All I know is what my brain managed to retain from that book. The guy says that due to Masonic connections, many people have been advanced to important positions in UK law enforcement, who were incompetant and not qualified for the position. Also there was a time when there was rampant corruption in the UK police, but it went on unchecked for years because they were all Masons and even the good MAsons in the police who were outraged at the corruption, kept silent because of the Masonic oath. He also said that its caused problems because known criminals have joined the Masons and have been in the same Lodge with police officers. Sometimes the cops would tip off their Brothers that they were being investigated, or were about to be arrested.

 

[Kev1916]

Originally posted by Dumb pothead
I know virtually nothing about the Masons. All I know is what my brain managed to retain from that book. The guy says that due to Masonic connections, many people have been advanced to important positions in UK law enforcement, who were incompetant and not qualified for the position. Also there was a time when there was rampant corruption in the UK police, but it went on unchecked for years because they were all Masons and even the good MAsons in the police who were outraged at the corruption, kept silent because of the Masonic oath. He also said that its caused problems because known criminals have joined the Masons and have been in the same Lodge with police officers. Sometimes the cops would tip off their Brothers that they were being investigated, or were about to be arrested.

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Aye,

My old friend is a mason and in the police, he doesn't talk about it much (of course not is balls would be cut off if he did )

But he when pissed mention he got promoted due to a wee handshake and a returned favour in the future.!

Any ways check this site, not sure of its validity but makes you think.

http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/masons.htm


Freemasons: The silent destroyers -

"The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation".
"Of all the means I know to lead men, the most effectual is a concealed mystery. The hankering of the mind is irresistible