Maternity leave: Is it really necessary?

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Apparently some country does well without.
Out of curiosity: What happens to working US-women if they get a child?
Are they immediately fired once they deliver the baby, do they take an unpaid leave or are they simply leaving the baby at home with a nanny while they go back to work?
 
I'm pretty sure most of our companies provide maternity leave. I've been without teachers for semesters before because they've given birth or their wife/girlfriend gave birth, and they've always come back.
 
Necessary? No. Good? Yes, very.

The possibility to have paternity leave as well, and the flexibility to split the leave between parents as they themselves think best.
 
I'm pretty sure most of our companies provide maternity leave. I've been without teachers for semesters before because they've given birth or their wife/girlfriend gave birth, and they've always come back.

So they're basically at the mercy of their employer ?
 
Just like with most labor matters in the US.

I worked at a Union Carbide-owned company where it was a firing offense to even utter the word "union".
 
So they're basically at the mercy of their employer ?

If so, then the employer policy is probably something you have to take into account when looking for a job as a woman.

I can kinda understand the employers fear of having to pay for an employee that suddenly decides to get a child and leaves for half a year on full pay ... but that's what you have maternity insurance for.

Still ... to dump the risk completely on the employers and employees instead of having a legal/social framework for dealing with a joyous fact of live is cold.
 
Apparently some country does well without.

The fact that the US doesn't have laws that even Pakistan has doesn't mean we're "doing well without".

Out of curiosity: What happens to working US-women if they get a child?
Are they immediately fired once they deliver the baby, do they take an unpaid leave or are they simply leaving the baby at home with a nanny while they go back to work?

GoodSarmatian nailed it. She's at the mercy of her employer. Federal law requires some employers to provide not-necessarily-paid leave. Some state laws expand the requirement to more employers. It's really embarrassingly inadequate, but in America you should just thank the job-creators for being blessed with a job in the first place.
 
I'd think they'd be at the mercy of the employers, especially with non-union positions. I'm not sure about unionized positions since I'd think there'd be an uproar if an employee (who is a union member) was fired from a job because of maternity leave and the union would make attempts to reverse the firing papers.

Some even use up their vacation/sick time (provided that they are with the company long enough).
 
I'm just as surprised Canada offers 50 weeks. That's most of the year!
 
In the US, the Family Medical Leave Act guarantees full time employees who have worked for the same employer for at least 12 months 12 weeks of unpaid time off for the birth of a child. Many employers also offer paid time off in some form, but this isn't assured by law in every state.

In some cases, pregnant women may also fall under a disability system as well. This has different rules.
 
In the US, the Family Medical Leave Act guarantees full time employees who have worked for the same employer for at least 12 months 12 weeks of unpaid time off for the birth of a child. Many employers also offer paid time off in some form, but this isn't assured by law in every state.

In some cases, pregnant women may also fall under a disability system as well. This has different rules.

The Family Medical Leave Act only applies to large companies.
 
In the US what's frequently referred to in the rest of the civilized world as 'Maternity Leave' should be recognized for what it really is: "Maternity Leave of Absence".

The employer is, in most cases, under no legal obligation to pay the employee a single dime. At least in New York (and perhaps other states?) the mother can often qualify for Disability pay (similar to unemployment, but far less generous, if you can believe it - in NY, that's $405/week maximum, and something like $150/week disability).

Unionized positions are more likely to have formal declarations of the woman's right to her position upon return, but I suspect even that is not guaranteed legally.

In the USA, a female employee is, as is so often the case in labor relations, a very unequal partner in the employer/employee equation.

I agree that it shouldn't fall to the employer to cover the living expenses of a female employee who isn't providing a service in return, but can you imagine the furore congressional republicans would throw if someone proposed legislation offering to pay women to stay home and nurture a future voter slack off a few months? :lol:

EDIT: Anxiety over how to finance the first year of a child's life is a MAJOR deal in just about all families. It's pathetic and ridiculous that the US labor market in hamstrung in this way. People intentionally hold jobs that are 'beneath' them simply because of the maternity leave issue. It's awful.
 
The Family Medical Leave Act only applies to large companies.

Yeah, 50 or more people. And it doesn't apply to part time workers, temp workers, or seasonal workers (and, quite possible, others. Non-profits are often exempted from stuff like this). So quite a large number of people cannot take advantage of it.

Plus, FMLA can be used for other things as well, like disability, care for a loved on, and what-not and that 12 week marker is one's yearly total, so it can be a problem for someone who has a kid and then who's parent gets sick or something.

It should be noted that FMLA leave can be used for the birth or adoption of a child by either parent. Which is kind of nice.
 
Nice to know that the situation for mothers isn't as dire as the above graph might suggest.
 
At least for half the workers. And they can still be fired without cause, so mothers or anybody else who take the leave and are terminated have no idea if that was why.

And it is unpaid leave, unlike many other countries. The graph above states paid maternity leave.
 
Does paid maternity leave reduce the desirability of younger females as prospective employees and thus reduce their competitiveness in the labour market? If so, is this unfair on women who have no intention of having kids?

Wages of childless, unmarried women under 30 are being savaged because of this

But now there's evidence that the ship may finally be turning around: according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group. In two cities, Atlanta and Memphis, those women are making about 20% more. This squares with earlier research from Queens College, New York, that had suggested that this was happening in major metropolises. But the new study suggests that the gap is bigger than previously thought, with young women in New York City, Los Angeles and San Diego making 17%, 12% and 15% more than their male peers, respectively. And it also holds true even in reasonably small areas like the Raleigh-Durham region and Charlotte in North Carolina (both 14% more), and Jacksonville, Fla. (6%).

The figures come from James Chung of Reach Advisors, who has spent more than a year analyzing data from the Census Bureau's American Community Survey. He attributes the earnings reversal overwhelmingly to one factor: education. For every two guys who graduate from college or get a higher degree, three women do. This is almost the exact opposite of the graduation ratio that existed when the baby boomers entered college. Studies have consistently shown that a college degree pays off in much higher wages over a lifetime, and even in many cases for entry-level positions. "These women haven't just caught up with the guys," says Chung. "In many cities, they're clocking them."

The holdout cities — those where the earnings of single, college-educated young women still lag men's — tended to be built around industries that are heavily male-dominated, such as software development or military-technology contracting. In other words, Silicon Valley could also be called Gender Gap Gully.

The rise of female economic power is by no means limited to the U.S., nor necessarily to the young. Late last year, the Bureau of Labor Statistics announced that for the first time, women made up the majority of the workforce in highly paid managerial positions. The change in the status quo has been marked enough that several erstwhile women's advocates have started to voice concerns about how to get more men to go to college. Is there an equivalent to Title IX for men?
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One of my aunts was back at work only a few days after giving birth, with both of her children. She was a telephone operator, so there was no heavy lifting and she was sitting down. But still, it must have been rough.
 
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