Math07: 50K or bust
- Thread starter Mathias
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We won't forget you. In all my SG life, I think only 3 times have I not posted a screenie.This is literally the third start that I rolled.
After stepping the worker north, I like what I see. The next tile north of the worker is a very nice place for culture city, with the capacity for at least 28 spt at size 12. I would like to build our capital on that spot. I'll wait for comments and discussion.
After stepping the worker north, I like what I see. The next tile north of the worker is a very nice place for culture city, with the capacity for at least 28 spt at size 12. I would like to build our capital on that spot. I'll wait for comments and discussion.
Ansar
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lurker's comment: where the worker is? I would recommend you move settler N NW, so you end up on hill and you get the cow.
I'd actually want to west so the 20k city can go north of the wine hill, and it will get 6 hills (one wine hill), cow, wines, forests, textbook 20k spot.
No city should ever interfere with the great 20k cities tiles. Only things it misses is coastal spot, but coast produces no shields for a while, so maybe that's good.
What should the first wonder be? Should we research CB to get an early temple, then go for the GL, or the pyramids?
No city should ever interfere with the great 20k cities tiles. Only things it misses is coastal spot, but coast produces no shields for a while, so maybe that's good.
What should the first wonder be? Should we research CB to get an early temple, then go for the GL, or the pyramids?
Ansar
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You make a good point Own, that spot is better.
AK, if you want to lurk, lurk. Leave the decisions to the team.
As for moving west, I knew Own would suggest that, as he has already indicated that he doesn't want culture city to be capital. Again, I disagree. Palace prebuild isn't necessary with only one city building wonder.
As for moving west, I knew Own would suggest that, as he has already indicated that he doesn't want culture city to be capital. Again, I disagree. Palace prebuild isn't necessary with only one city building wonder.
Ansar
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lurker's comment: ok, just needed to see if you liked my opinion...
How do I get a copy of your super deluxe RNG? 
Are enough of the high cpt wonders coastal only to require us to be coastal? I don't play 20K often enough to know for sure if it matters. There are Colossus and Lighthouse, unlikely to get both of those anyway as early on the AIs will be competitive and beat us to some of them.
Are enough of the high cpt wonders coastal only to require us to be coastal? I don't play 20K often enough to know for sure if it matters. There are Colossus and Lighthouse, unlikely to get both of those anyway as early on the AIs will be competitive and beat us to some of them.
Mathias said:This is literally the third start that I rolled.
After stepping the worker north, I like what I see. The next tile north of the worker is a very nice place for culture city, with the capacity for at least 28 spt at size 12. I would like to build our capital on that spot. I'll wait for comments and discussion.
This start is nice. But I don't see 28 spt or 6 hills (as Own said). I only see 4 hills, do I miss sth? My calculation for spt is this: the default value of a size 12 city is 15 if evey tile is normal (food + shield = 3, grass or plain), 12 spt from 12 tiles and 3 from center (2 food + 1 shield can be converted to 3 shields by mining). To this default value, a cow adds 3, a hill or bg adds 1, a wine or fur adds 1. The suggested spot will get 1 cow, 4 hils, 2 bgs, 3 wines, that means 15 + 3 + 4 + 2 +3 = 27 spt. Certainly, you can temporarily get 28 spt, but that's at the price of -1 fpt. Unless chopping forest reveals a bg, that's 27 spt for sustainable development.
That place is of course nice, but it takes 2 turns for the settler to go there, which is painful. How about settle at the current place and buld a settler asap? The capital can use 3 wines for settler factory (max 4 fpt, not great, but not bad), and the new city can use the cow. The new city will start building culture asap, and the capital supplies worker and more settler. Otherwise, if we devote the capital for 50k, we will hardly have any time to expand.
Mathias said:
Oh, that's great! Then it can receive 29 gpt at constant food, and reach the magic number 30 spt at -1 fpt!
The disadvantage of moving settler to that place is that it needs 2 turns. OTOH, if we settle right now, the capital will NOT interfere the 50k city, because its center tile is ourside the 50k city's economic border. In this sense, the disadvantage is transformed into advantage!
Make that 7 hills, and a mountain, too.
3900 BC
Seoul founded >> Warrior
Set research to Writing at max
3700 BC
IT: Wines connected; Warrior >> Warrior
3500 BC
IT: Warrior >> Settler
3400 BC
Meet Inca: They have Masonry and Pottery, lack Bronze Working and Alphabet
Sell BW to Inca for 10 gold
3150 BC
IT: Settler >> Warrior
3100 BC
IT: Byzantine spear emerges from fog
3050 BC
Byzantines have Pottery, Warrior Code, Ceremonial Burial and 30 gold
Inca also just picked up Ceremonial Burial
Trade Alphabet to Inca for Masonry
Masonry to Byzantines for Warrior Code and 22 gold
Warrior Code to Inca for Pottery
I recommend settling north of the game or on the blue dot. Either way, we'll need a border expansion before a settler factory will be possible.
Turn order has not been set. If you can play, post a got-it, but allow time for discussion.
3900 BC
Seoul founded >> Warrior
Set research to Writing at max
3700 BC
IT: Wines connected; Warrior >> Warrior
3500 BC
IT: Warrior >> Settler
3400 BC
Meet Inca: They have Masonry and Pottery, lack Bronze Working and Alphabet
Sell BW to Inca for 10 gold
3150 BC
IT: Settler >> Warrior
3100 BC
IT: Byzantine spear emerges from fog
3050 BC
Byzantines have Pottery, Warrior Code, Ceremonial Burial and 30 gold
Inca also just picked up Ceremonial Burial
Trade Alphabet to Inca for Masonry
Masonry to Byzantines for Warrior Code and 22 gold
Warrior Code to Inca for Pottery
I recommend settling north of the game or on the blue dot. Either way, we'll need a border expansion before a settler factory will be possible.
Turn order has not been set. If you can play, post a got-it, but allow time for discussion.
Own said:
I certainly want to transfer some population from the new city into Seoul, but it looks just hard because there are so many tile improvements needing workers. I guess Mathias is aiming at code of laws -> philosophy -> republic. Is that easy to get?
