MB4 - GOTM24 Redux [ptw]

I just read through a SG thread the last couple of days where a cav army was being used for pillaging. There is indeed a threshold for AI's attacking an army, but I didn't see what that threshold is.

I think that Space was in that game... :)
 
It looks like the other teams conquered Takada first so the extra territory is giving them a substantial scoring advantage. Our hope, IMHO, of winning this is to:
A) Conquer our continent as soon as we get tanks.
B) Grow population and keep them happy.
C)Win the game a few hundred years ahead of the competition.

The first two are pretty straightforward. Item C will take some doing, but I think getting a couple armies to Han will smooth the conquering. Also, the increased tech pace, getting us to tanks may have been a benefit in this game in that we may finish sooner. Hopefully our two cores can churn out 10-14 tanks every 2-3 turns. We should look at any city that can possibly get over 34 shields with a factory/hydro. All those cities at 15-16spt would enable tanks in 3t with a factory/hydro.

Were not out of this.:rant: ranting complete.:)
 
Originally posted by a space oddity

That's right, Space-1, an AW on Monarch, see the link in my sig. :) Sipahi attack a Cav army. They are 8 in attack, right? So would it be +5?
In the same game we had a Spear army that survived unmolested until the advent of Cav. That brings the differential down to 4 (A6 vs D2).

Anyway to answer barbslinger's question, Cav armies would seem to be safe until Tanks arrive notwithstanding the fact that the AI will bombard armies if they get the chance.

I'll try to get those last 4 turns played later today.


Ted
 
Pre-flight checks.. OK


Rubber
Chosogabe - none
Mori - 1 source, 2NW Tsuyama

On the basis that no Rubber = no Inf or Tanks taking out the Mori source and pillaging the Choso capital seem to be the priorities. Keeping the Takeda away from the front lines comes a close 3rd :)

I'll upgrade and use the 2 Junks (South coast) to transport an Inf Army & some Cav pillagers to the Mori Rubber.


Pre-turn...
Research 100% (10 turns @ -39gpt)
Build wall of Inf to stop Takeda reaching the front - replace with obsolete units as lines advance
MB4P-1240AD-wall.jpg

Scour our lands for elite Samurai or Kensai - I manage to find a few and some vet Cav & Artilley lounging about, Send them all to the front :)
Upgrade 2 Junks to Transports (Toyotomi)
Elite Samurai kills 1/5 Cav
Elite Samurai kills 1/4 Cav
Vet Cav kills 1/4 Cav
Vet Cav kills 1/5 Cav & promotes
Capture Gifu for the loss of 1 vet Cav
Upgrade Cannon Kublai (Moriyama-ku)
I decide to wait until next turn to land on Choso as I can transport and land a full Cav Army (Cav for pillaging)
Upgrade all catapults for 480gp
Hawk WM

IBT
Takeda units head back West
7 Mori Cav show up
Choso & Korea sign MA vs Han
Choso & Baekje sign MA vs us
renew Dyes to Shimazu for 29gpt (was 16gpt)
Game hangs
reload (luckily I saved before hitting the button)
Azuchi Military Academy - Army (just in case we don't have any leader luck)
MB4P-1240AD-MilAcademy.jpg


1 - 1250AD
Bombard Mori Cav - red-lining them all
Elite Cav kills 1/4 Cav
Elite Cav kills 1/4 Cav
Elite Cav kills 1/4 Cav
Elite Cav kills 1/4 Cav and generates GL (Nobunga)
Vet Inf kills 1/4 Cav
Elite Samurai kills 1/4 Cav
That's all the Mori invaders bar a 1/4 Cav on a mountain
Vet Inf kills 1/4 Cav
Bombard Choso ships
Ironclad sinks Galleon
Azuchi switches to Hospital
MM Ise for Hydro in 2
Pillage Mori Saltpetre (W Kashihara)
Transport 1st Army of Horse & 3 Explorers to 2S Imabari (pillage all the way to capital)

IBT
Takeda & Choso sign Trade Embargo vs us
Mori & Shimazu sign Peace Treaty
We get the Pentagon message

2 - 1255AD
Assault on Osaka - destroyed for the loss of 1 elite Cav - generating GL (Kuki)
Kuki rushes to Azuchi and hurries Pentagon
Load Slinger's Sluaghterers with vet Cav and send them to Iron mountain (2NW Nara)
1st Army of Horse & Explorers pillage Choso Silks (en-route to Matsuyama)
Research 90% (8 turns @ +23gpt)
HAwk WM
Han have Mass Production

IBT
Korea & Choso sign MA vs us - we lose Incense
Azuchi Pentagon - Hospital
Ise Hydro - Uni

3 - 1260AD
Bombard Choso ships
Bombard Mori attackers
Elite Cav kills 1/4 Rifle
Elite Cav kills 1/4 Rifle
Elite Cav kills 1/4 Cav
Slinger's Slaughterers move East (they can pillage Mori Rubber next turn)
Advance Arty & escorts toward Aki (Choso) for bombardment next turn)
1st Army of Horse & Explorers pillage their way toward Matsuyama
Hawk WM

IBT
Takeda & Kuroda end Trade Embargo vs us
Hundreds of Takeda head East ( I must have left a gap in the wall)
Choso & Shimazu sign MA vs Baekje
Korea & Han sign Peace :(

4 - 1265AD
Rebuild wall of Inf
Bombard Aki - kill 3 citizens & destroy Barracks, Temple & Market
Bombard Kashihara down to pop 1
Capture Kashihara for the loss of 1 elite Cav
1st Army of Horse pillages toward Matsuyama but a slip of the mouse leaves exposed Explorer :smoke:
Slinger's Slaughterers pillage Mori Rubber
HAwk WM

IBT
Takeda turn round and head back West :)
Our Explorer is captured
Choso & Shimazu sign MA vs Kuroda

5 - 1270AD
Bombard Aki - finally destroy Harbour & get it down to pop 6
Capture Hagi (shared Southern island)
Use lone Exploreer to pillage Mori Oil
Forces set sail for Oda (Oil island)
Forces advance on Kui
Pillagers pillage
Hawk WM

IBT
Kuroda & Mori sign Trade Embargo vs us
Kuroda & Mori sign MA vs Korea
We lose Furs

6 - 1275AD
Kui captured for the loss of 1 elite Cav
Pillagers pillage
Hawk WM
Shimazu have Mass Production & Radio :(
Sell Combustion to Gogury for Incense, WM, 177gp + 55gpt (all they have)
We have nothing to trade with either Han or Shimazu :(
I offered Shimazu 694gp + 673gpt for MP and was only "close to a deal"
Research Lone Scientist - I'll try a steal in a couple of turns
Plant spy with Shimazu
Stealing would cost around 1500gp for immediate, 2300gp for carefully & 3100gp for safely.

More follows...


Ted
 
7 - 1280AD
Capture Oda (Mori Oil Island) for no losses
Advance toward Kure
Pillagers pillage - Matsuyama (Choso) will be cut off next turn

IBT
Shimazu & Han sign Peace Treaty :(

8 - 1285AD
Matsuyama (Choso capital) cut off
Elite Cav kills Rifle (Kure) and generates GL (Shibata)
Hastily construct some rails to get him back to civilisation but he can't quite make it so I delay assault on Kure till next turn
I could perform an "immediate" steal on the Shimazu but as the object is to get the tech I'll wait one more turn and do it "carefully"

IBT
Choso send a Kensai and a Cav
Ise has reached the magic 80spt for an Artillery every turn :)

9 - 1290AD
Shibata forms 2nd Army of Horse - I fill with 2 elite* & 2 vet Cav and capture Kure with them
Elite Samurai kills 1/4 Cav
Attempt steal vs Shimazu (Spy, carefully, 2326gp) - success, we have Mass Production
Switch Research to Motorised Transport (8 turns @ -19gpt)
Start cutting off Hiroshima (Mori capital) - leave capturing Hiroshima till last as remaining Mori cities are all coastal and will allow new deals to be established
Bombard Nara down to pop 2 and red-line both Rifles leaving a vet Kensai visible
Elite Cav kills Kensai leaving 1/4 Rifle visible
Artillery & escort advance toward Takahashi
Switch a couple of towns to Settlers - to fill in some of the Mori lands

IBT
Mori Kensai show up
Tottori riots

10 - 1295AD
Bombard Nara - destroying Uni, Lib & Barracks, red-line both Rifles
Vet Cav kills 1/3 Rifle
Vet Cav kills 1/4 Rifle
Nara captured
New Ogaki founded
New Handa founded
Hawk WM
Shimazu & Han have Motorised Transport
I don't see any point in putting Research back to Lone Scientist as it will take 4 turns to build up enough GP for a steal and we'll complete ourselves in 5 turns

IBT
Takeda & Korea sign Trade Embargo vs us
Takeda & Korea sign MA vs Kuroda

11 - 1300AD
Bombard Tsuyama down to pop 5, destroying most improvements and red-lining 3 Rifles leaving a 4/4 Kensai visible
Bombard Takahashi - kill a citizan
Tsuyama falls for the loss of a vet Cav
Hiroshima (Mori capital) is now cut off from the outside world
New Yokkachi founded

Notes
Probably the most important thing for the next player is to save Hiroshima (Mori capital) till last. Just carry on down both coasts picking off their cities one by one. There are 2 Cav armies and 1 Kensai/Inf army near Takahashi to help overcome any stubborn defenses. The key issue is speed. The sooner the Mori are history the sooner we can turn our attention to Choso & Takeda.
MB4P-1300AD-Mori.jpg


Tanks due in 4 turns. Then we can make a start on the real invasion of Chosogabe and, once we've finished off the Mori, turn our attention to the Takeda.

Tottori will produce a Settler this turn. I suggest we use him SE of the Oil.

Shimazu & Han are both up Radio & Mororised Transport
I took 1 extra turn to round up the date :)

The save is > here <


Ted
 
Now the tables will turn. Great work Ted. Our spies are doing well. I envy the next leader who gets the honor of taking it to Takada. It sounds like all the libraries/uni's we got going are finally taking hold and lowering research. I would still get some uni's in larger cities when possible, letting one build while others build tanks. It would be nice to get to MA before Han. Did Korea have MT or Radio? A trade partnership with them would be nice. Our side of the world, excluding Shimazu, should mop up nicely. Where is Takada tech-wise? Still behind a few I presume. Once Choso luxs are secure I would turn an infantry army loose on Shimazu luxs and pillaging and if possible send an inf army over to visit the Han.
We're on our way! Go team! No stopping war now unless it's for huge tech, dollars.
 
Korea are at war with us - they signed an MA with Choso and they haven't calmed down enough to be able to check their tech status :)

Takeda are still lagging but have a large army of Cav for us to reduce.


Ted
 
Looked at the save and we get MT in 4 at a research cost of 2600g. Korea will give us peace and discount on MT for only 97gpt or 1940g. That would speed up the conquest and get us to Takada that much quicker.

MAD-BAX: Score was 2397 in 1300AD. Only moments before we overtake Takada in score.
 
You're right barbslinger :)

I obviously forgot to check Korea on my last turn :blush:


Ted
 
Looks like Shevek will be able to finish assimilating the Mori. Then it's north to the Chosogabe (gaining silks and another oil supply). After that, I'd like to see us avenge the victims of the Takeda massacres and remove them from our island. We'll probably need to save a Great Leader for the United Nations. I'd hate to lose this to a freak vote. The way things are going after the Takeda (or maybe during), the Shimazu will be invited to become a part of our illustrious empire.

That leaves the other island. We’ll probably need 8-10 transports to deliver our troops over there. We’ll have to watch the domination limit during that campaign. The way techs are moving it’ll probably be Modern Armor against Mechanized Infantry when the Han conquest begins. I haven’t had many games with those battles.

I’ll be leaving Christmas morning and won’t be back until late on the 30th so I’ll probably be getting back in time to read all about the Mori/Choso/Takeda conquests and be ready for my turns :hammer: on the Shimazu.

A Merry Christmas to all :santa:
 
It may be advisable to get a prebuild going for both the UN and SETI. The techs are popping about every 4-7 turns and we don't need Han getting the UN. Seti would put us in a foothold to be ing able to get MA before Han. Good luck to next leader! :hammer:
 
Hello all. I have just arrived back from my Xmas holidays.
I hope all of you had a lovely and peaceful Xmas.
I am in the process of getting myself sorted and tomorrow morning it is back to work.
I think that I can get round to some playing after work tomorrow.
This is not a 'Got it' yet. But tomorrow should be OK for some turns. First I have to catch up on what happened meanwhile.
Until soon.
 
This is my 'Got it'.
I will not finish my turns tonight, though.
 
IT
As suggested by Barbslinger sign peace with Korea and buy MT for 97gpt
switch all cities to tanks that were producing cavs
Enter

IT
Korea and Mori sign embargo against us
Takeda and Han sign MA against Gogu, Takeda declares on Gogu
Takeda and Han sign MA against Choso, Takeda declares on Choso
Resistance ends in Tsuyama and it riots

1. 1305 AD
take Takahashi without losses
1. tank rolls from the assembly line :band:
sink Choso Frigate
capture Fukuyama without loss
slip of mouse leaves 1 explorer exposed on Choso land
research flight as it takes as long as radio but no-one has it yet, 13 turns at 60% and -5gpt, any increase we cannot afford
Mori cities set to starving
Send more infantry to the Takeda border towns, their previous sneack attack is still on my mind and they do make quite a show of their 20 odd cavs strolling around there

IT
Mori and Han sign MA against Choso (good, Han are in 2 wars now)
our explorer gets captured
Mori and Gogu sign peace
Azuchi finishes army and starts UN pre build

2. 1310 AD
found Oilsuka SE of Mori oil
bringing troops into position for attack on Yamaguchi and Okayama, this takes time as capital has large culture border and all movement is in enemy territory
Han have now Amphibious war, so do Korea and Shimazu
sell Refining to Takeda for 1446 g (all they have), this tech is not very useful to them and we can use some spare cash

IT
Takeda has destroyed Kuroda, good we will not have to search for them
Gogu and Mori sign MA agains Choso
loose cav army and explorer on Choso land ?? after being attacked by cavs, kill 4
Takeda lands 3 cavs next to Okayama, we attack city, draw counter attack from Mori, 1 mori rifle and 1 cav die, 1 Takeda cav gets redlined
Mory cav kills elite sam
capture Okayama (just in time before Takeda can get it)
capture Yamaguchi loosing 2 cavs, get 4 slaves

IT
And here we go again, Takeda invades our land with masses of troops (what is it with Takeda and Shevek???)
34 cavs at the gates of Koromositu, 20 infantry before Yoks revenge, just good that I had moved lots of troops into the border towns
Choso sink our damaged ironclad
lost supply of silk
renew spices deal with Han

3. 1320 AD
attack Matsue (2. last Mori city), loose 2 cavs, redline last rifle defender and run out of troops
attack capital to deny it Takeda (they still have cavs there)
heroic Mori rifle redlines tank and kills cav before dying, capture Hiroshima
tank looses against Mori rifle on open grounds (damn good rifles they have)
move more infantry to border with Takeda
ask Takeda to leave, they declare, start to use arti on them, reduce 9 cavs to 2hp, kill 7 cavs with cavs and 1 tank
hit enter with a big shiver

IT
Takeda loose 5 cavs to our heroic tank (now dead but not unsung)
they bypass Kokomo and Koromosito heading for the core (12 infantry in each town might have done the trick
Takeda cav attacks Okayama and makes our sam produce leader
Takeda and Korea sign MA against Baekje
renew Shimazu horse deal

4. 1325 AD
attack Matsue and capture it for the loss of 2 cavs
Mori are history
Save leader for UN + we have a pre build maybe for SETI
artillery bomb Takeda cavs and kill the damaged units off, kill 27 cavs for the loss of 1 cav
Nobody wants to sign MA or embargo against Takeda

IT
Takeda and Korea sign MA against Gogu and Choso - the worlds is at war
Takeda retreats damaged troops but brings in some fresh ones

5. 1330 AD
Slaughter continues, kill 18 infantry, 3 cav for the loss of 2 cavs and 1 cav army (sorry)
railnet laid to all former Mori cities
The main force of Takeda on our territori is killed or retreating damaged. We can deal easily with the remainder on our land and then I will start to invade their land. Since the opportunity is here to finish them off I will wait with the Chosogabe.

More to follow
Sorry for not finishing my turns on time. The year end at work takes its toll (stock count and clearing the books = over time :( )
Tomorrow is not the night to play civ either. But 1. Jan is off and play time again
 
Fantastic work Shevek. Our production capacity is kicking in and the tanks will roll! No peace for Takada, revenge is at hand. Choso is next and we are rolling. Fingers crossed for armies, oops I forgot, we have a leader sitting pretty for the UN. Tough choice. If we can finish off everyone before the other teams we may still have a chance to win this thing. A beeline from UN to modern armor for the Han. We may have to go back to stealing tech. Have you tallied the 13 turns on flight to see if it equals 2 safe steal attempts? Also, with the 1446g from Takada can we deficit research quicker? I have a feeling Han will get to flight prior to us but my fingers are crossed.
 
Thanks for the encouragement.

This was the sight at 1320AD which put the fright into my heart ;)

MB4PTW-1320AD_-_Takeda_attack.JPG


Yes, the tanks really start rolling now. We have 4 or 5 cities that can get out a tank every 2 turns. Poor Takeda. I probably will sit tight for another 2 turns or so and let Takeda run against our arti. And then it will be show time.
As to the question army or save leader for UN: we now have 1 tank army to use as 'ice breaker'. But otherwise I think tanks are better used on its own with their 2 attacks. There is no wonder that can be build right now. Therefore I believe it worthwhile to save the leader since we are not missing much.

Thanks for the tip to check for the cost of stealing, barb.
Question, will the research already invested make a steal cheaper? If not I would have wasted quite some money/time.

To all, have a nice night and celebration tonight. :band:

Edit: spelling
 
We can build universities, factories too. I have a feeling there will be a lot more leaders coming when we take it to Takada. UN and SETI may be 10-15 turns away. That's a lot of building we could be doing.
 
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