Kozmos
Jew Detective
I think he's simply trolling.
Mental health thread
- Thread starter Disgustipated
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I think he's simply trolling.
There are many schools of psychology, I do recomend Gestalt psychology. Psychiatrist are for more heavier stuff like suicidal thoughts or physical simptons like weight lost, insomnia, memory lost, and chillings. If your problem is minor the therapist will let you go in one section. If it's making you disfunctional you'll need more time, but it will be useless if you cann't trust him, or don't listen to him.
In my experience going to the psychologist is a very, very (did i say very?) bad idea if you need CBT. A psychiatrist, as already has been said, is a doctor so he can prescribe drugs which may be needed in some cases. Since i have actually discussed this many times i can tell you that in cases such as schizophrenia (which i do not have) drugs can in fact "work miracles". This is due to many reasons, but it appears that it mostly is because the sufferer is rather lost and the drug acts so as to pull him out of the pool of being lost.
Whereas in other cases, such as schizoid personality (which i do have) drugs are a minimal part of therapy. If pressed i would rather claim that drugs had almost no effect on me at all, or as i once described it: it is like running a marathon and a spectator enters the field and pushes you once forward, with all his might: surely you will momentarily go faster, but it won't have a great effect on your time in the overall marathon.
Whereas in other cases, such as schizoid personality (which i do have) drugs are a minimal part of therapy. If pressed i would rather claim that drugs had almost no effect on me at all, or as i once described it: it is like running a marathon and a spectator enters the field and pushes you once forward, with all his might: surely you will momentarily go faster, but it won't have a great effect on your time in the overall marathon.
nonconformist
Miserable
Because it's a nationalised service with no financial incentive to gain from?
PlutonianEmpire
King of the Plutonian Empire
And if society happens to be an utter piece of crap? (Which it is.
)As Fernando Pessoa once wrote: "the first thing the thinking person realizes is that he cannot change the world around him, but he can try to change himself: this will take him the rest of his life to complete".
On a less gloomy note: society itself may be often bad/base/negative etc, but it is not that bad. If people were not fundamentally, to some degree, something leaning towards positivity then organized society would have died out long ago.
On a less gloomy note: society itself may be often bad/base/negative etc, but it is not that bad. If people were not fundamentally, to some degree, something leaning towards positivity then organized society would have died out long ago.
Narz
keeping it real
Almost all of my experience with mental health professionals was for-profit (which is why it's been pretty much at zero since I've been an adult, if I'm going to pay $200 an hour for someone to make me feel better there are more surefire solutions than psychiatry). I did go to a couple of free support groups but the people there were pretty low functioning so they didn't help much. Many Americans (including myself) do not have health insurance.
nonconformist
Miserable
lol $200 an hour?
Try free
Try free
Narz
keeping it real
Go ahead & try to find a free psychiatrist in Bloomfield who takes clients without any insurance.
Yes, they have support groups and sponsors to help them stop being drug addicts. If you're just talking to other people with problems without a goal of ridding yourself of problems, you're doing absolutely nothing good for yourself.
Assuming that you mean by bettering yourself is by going on medication, I don't see that as being bettering, one of my friends simply takes a Xanax when anxiety starts getting at him. (so he is pretty much on Xanax all the time) I try to understand why it happened and how to deal with it. I used to have terrible panic attacks on public transportation. Now I use it like a pro, with the occasional flare up but I've learned to control it. I'm slowly working on my list, dealing with life at my own pace and terms.
As for the broken/fixed thing. I used to think of it that way and that I could only aspire to states of lesser brokenness. Now I think of it as that I'm just slightly phase-shifted by -90 or +90 degrees in relation to the normal flow the current as one of my old professors would say.
I explained betterment and it doesn't mean going on medication. It means actually wanting to not be miserable and taking steps towards it.
That doesn't mean there's no profit motive, even if it's under the umbrella of the NHS. Doctors are still paid when they see a patient, or are paid a flat salary in which cases fewer patients is higher earnings from a time stand point.
Disgustipated
Deity
His name is Mad Man after all, what do you expect?
I've come to realize after reading this thread, I'm not really that messed up.
I will not take drugs under any circumstances. I'm simply not messed up enough. I will try some mental exercises so I don't go emo at my girl and lose her (acting like a ***** is a surefire way to lose a girl). I found one mental exercise on the internet that looks pretty good. The trick is keeping control in the heat of an argument. I will see if a therapist can give me other exercises to keep my brain on the right track. And that's all I hope to get from it.Why is that? Who should you see for CBT?
azzaman333
meh
And if society happens to be an utter piece of crap? (Which it is.
You get to enjoy eternal solitude.
PlutonianEmpire
King of the Plutonian Empire
Or, you know, you could find other societies.
Which would be easier if we had FTL (Faster Than Light
) travel by now and knew of other planets to visit. 
A psychiatrist. Psychologists, not being doctors, cannot even know if you have something physical as part of your problem. Moreover they cannot prescribe drugs, which the vast majority of patients do need.
CBT seems to work better in conjunction with some sort of prescription, for the majority of people who need it, since the resistance to it can have built up chronically, and drugs are good in combating that.
Of course drugs won't do anything if the patient does not wish to change.
Narz
keeping it real
Ah of all the luck to be born on Earth with all those lonesome blue alien women far out of reach.Or, you know, you could find other societies.
Which would be easier if we had FTL (Faster Than Light
You only have one life to life. Either make the most of it or at least channel your frustration with it down creative avenues. For example you could write a story about hot nympho alien women & subservient alien men who make you their king, rather than daydreaming about them. Ah life was good in the Plutonian Empire. But then... :gasp: the Earthlings had come to take over the planet, rape it's resources & enslave it's residents... only one man can stop them!!
Anyway, I'm not a big fan of contemporary society either but there is alot of variation within it (which is one of the things I do like/respect about it) so there's no reason to remain stuck or lonely forever. Just got to keep exploring your options.
Going to a psychologist doesn't preclude you from going to see a GP and/or psychiatrist as well. And while psychologists aren't doctors, and can't diagnose or prescribe drugs, they've certainly got enough knowledge to think something more is going on, and suggest you find a psychiatrist as well. As does the GP who referred you to the psychologist in the first place. GPs & psychiatrists typically aren't actually able to deliver things like CBT or DBT. They can suggest it is a good idea, and refer you on to psychologist, or to whatever group stuff might be available in your local area. But if you & the professionals you see decide CBT is a good idea, you'll need to find a psychologist, or a group that has psychologists involved in running it, in order to do it.
Incidentally, plenty of people can find CBT useful without needing drugs, for the fairly simple reason that CBT and other 'talk therapies' can be helpful for more than just those with diagnosable mental health issues. Saying 'if you want CBT, seeing a psychologist is a really bad idea' is ridiculous.
I think you gave your own answer (and also you answered yourself) in that you refer to people with "non-diagnosable" health issues. But i guess it can be said that the number of people with non diagnosable health issues tends to equate itself with the number of total people around. The tautology only stresses the irrelevance of the noted argument.
Umm, what?
Saying if you want CBT, don't go to a psychologist is like saying if you want anti-histamines, don't go to a chemist/pharmacy. i.e. ridiculous. CBT is dispensed by psychologists, just like anti-histamines are dispensed by pharmacists. The pharmacist, while not a doctor, is perfectly capable of saying you need more than over-the-counter drugs, so go and see a GP. The psychologist, while not a doctor, is perfectly capable of saying you need more than talk therapy, so go and see a GP and/or psychiatrist. Some people get the help they need just from the over-the-counter drugs. Some people get the help they need just from the talk therapy.
Diagnosed mental illness or not, if you want CBT or any other talk therapy, you need to make contact with some sort of psychologist. If you want prescription drugs, you need to make contact with some sort of doctor. If you want certain types of prescription drugs, you need to make contact with some sort of psychiatrist.
"If you want CBT, it's a really, really bad idea to see the people who are trained to use CBT, because you'll need more than just CBT." Ridiculous.
Quackers
The Frog
Most depressed individuals who go to a GP are just prescribed anti-depressants and sent on there way (a dangerous drug in it's own right). GPs are still under budget constaints and it's way cheaper to prescribe somebody anti-depressants then 6 hours of counselling or therapy every week for 6 months.
